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ehotep
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Original Jews were black or africans?
« on: August 10, 2006, 09:20:11 AM »
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Can anyone shead light on this statement or prove it to be false?
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Queen_Samiya
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2006, 09:30:20 AM »
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I truely believe that Africans were the orginal Jews which is known as Hebrews that lives in Northeast Africa and some other parts like Uganda.
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natural blacks
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Blackheart Man
Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2006, 11:27:24 AM »
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From my studies, the supposed birth of “Moses” was before the first recorded foreign visitors to Alkebu-lan [1675 BCE]. So the jews must have been black then, and are black now. Where does that leave thousands of “semitic” rabbis around the world? Lost and tagged as thieves.
And why should we call them “original” jews? They are the jews… Haribu people.
Yanks & Ises. Love & Joy. Rasta Live.
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History has shown that it is the inaction of those who could’ve acted; the indifference of those who should’ve known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most that has made it possible for evil to triumph. – EMPEROR HAILE SELASSIE I
Queen_Samiya
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 01:25:44 PM »
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That is true natural blacks, but the white man want to take our religions away and make it to his own.
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Truth is
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2006, 04:38:01 AM »
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The Jews are not the original inhabitants of Africa nor are they the chosen peopl of the bible that we have read about. They are people of russian/turkish descent and gained entrance to Isral by way of a treaty or something like that. (Aknazian) I don’t know how to spell it correctly but check it out. Check out the date for the entrance of the Jews to Israel. The original chosen people were African. The people that you see and read about are imposters.
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Truth is
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2006, 04:58:38 AM »
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Ashkenazi Jew, I believe it was 1948 Check this out …… Aliyah
The State of Israel will be open for Jewish immigration and the ingathering of exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel…
From the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, 1948 …….
Law of Return 5710-1950
Right of aliyah** 1. Every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh**.
Oleh’s visa 2. (a) Aliyah shall be by oleh’s visa.
(b) An oleh’s visa shall be granted to every Jew who has expressed his desire to settle in Israel, unless the Minister of Immigration is satisfied that the applicant
I hope this helps
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Truth is
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2006, 05:06:41 AM »
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The Balfour Declaration
November 2, 1917During the First World War, British policy became gradually committed to the idea of establishing a Jewish home in Palestine (Eretz Yisrael). After discussions in the British Cabinet, and consultation with Zionist leaders, the decision was made known in the form of a letter by Arthur James Lord Balfour to Lord Rothschild. The letter represents the first political recognition of Zionist aims by a Great Power.
Check this out, please read further about the balfour declaration
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Queen_Samiya
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2006, 10:02:50 AM »
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Quote from: Truth is on September 26, 2006, 04:38:01 AM
The Jews are not the original inhabitants of Africa nor are they the chosen peopl of the bible that we have read about. They are people of russian/turkish descent and gained entrance to Isral by way of a treaty or something like that. (Aknazian) I don’t know how to spell it correctly but check it out. Check out the date for the entrance of the Jews to Israel. The original chosen people were African. The people that you see and read about are imposters.
Truth is,
I am afraid that you are right! The original chosen people were Africans and the sad thing about it is that a lot of our people are worshipping white Jesus!
I just know that the ones whom rewrote it and put it into their own words are imposters!
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ehotep
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2006, 02:09:55 PM »
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Quote from: natural blacks on September 19, 2006, 11:27:24 AM
From my studies, the supposed birth of “Moses” was before the first recorded foreign visitors to Alkebu-lan [1675 BCE]. So the jews must have been black then, and are black now. Where does that leave thousands of “semitic” rabbis around the world? Lost and tagged as thieves.
And why should we call them “original” jews? They are the jews… Haribu people.
Yanks & Ises. Love & Joy. Rasta Live.
Hotep Natural Blacks,
Indeed I agree with your point about not calling them the ‘original’ jews, because they are in fact the jews. The reason why I label them as such, is to provide clarity to our brothers and sister who are not aware of this. If you ask the average person walking on the street who are the jews, I bet 99 out of 100 people would tell you the askenazim or sepharim jews are the jews. It angers me, to know the truth and have so many of our people misinformed. It angers me further to have those who we try to enlighten not care.
I guess the kybalion teaches us best: “The lips of Wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.”
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empressyikona
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2006, 11:11:57 AM »
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Blessed,
Have anyone heard about the South African Lembas who say they have Jewish ancestry? Here’s a quote from a study that was done to establish the genetics of the Lemba:
“The Center for Genetic Anthropology, Departments of Biology and Anthropology, University College London, London, United Kingdom.
The Lemba are a traditionally endogamous group speaking a variety of Bantu languages who live in a number of locations in southern Africa. They claim descent from Jews who came to Africa from “Sena.” “Sena” is variously identified by them as Sanaa in Yemen, Judea, Egypt, or Ethiopia. A previous study using Y-chromosome markers suggested both a Bantu and a Semitic contribution to the Lemba gene pool, a suggestion that is not inconsistent with Lemba oral tradition. To provide a more detailed picture of the Lemba paternal genetic heritage, we analyzed 399 Y chromosomes for six microsatellites and six biallelic markers in six populations (Lemba, Bantu, Yemeni-Hadramaut, Yemeni-Sena, Sephardic Jews, and Ashkenazic Jews). The high resolution afforded by the markers shows that Lemba Y chromosomes are clearly divided into Semitic and Bantu clades. Interestingly, one of the Lemba clans carries, at a very high frequency, a particular Y-chromosome type termed the “Cohen modal haplotype,” which is known to be characteristic of the paternally inherited Jewish priesthood and is thought, more generally, to be a potential signature haplotype of Judaic origin. The Bantu Y-chromosome samples are predominantly (>80%) YAP+ and include a modal haplotype at high frequency. Assuming a rapid expansion of the eastern Bantu, we used variation in microsatellite alleles in YAP+ sY81-G Bantu Y chromosomes to calculate a rough date, 3,000-5,000 years before the present, for the start of their expansion.”
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?itool=abstractplus&db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=abstractplus&list_uids=10677325
Please also check the following:
“Many “educated” people outside Europe/USA know a lot about Europe and Euro-America, but have less interest in peoples outside Europe/Euro-America, including their own people. Many Africans prize a “western” education but know little of Africans on the other side of their continent.
World knowledge of the Jewish diaspora is no exception to the Eurocentric rule. Most people (sadly including people of color) who have no contact with Jewish communities of color picture Jews as white Europeans. In actuality, the Jewish communities of Africa and Asia had dominated the Jewish intellectual and cultural scene in antiquity.
The following paragraphs will focus on non-European-origin Jewish communities in Africa. Ashkenazi and Ladino Jewish communities on African continent will not be covered in this article, except for their association with African Mizrahi communities. “
http://www.colorq.org/MeltingPot/Africa/AfricanJews.htm
Stepping humbly,
Empress Yikona
(Algerian and Moroccan Jewish roots)
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afrikanrebel06
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somewhere in the cosmos and realm of the ancestors
Read people read!
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2007, 11:01:18 PM »
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read people read reaD!
DOCTOR YUSEF BEN JOCHANAM,WE THE BLACK JEWS,BLACKMAN OF THE NILE AND HIS FAMILY.those are good books to start with
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” comer thee,all,leaves of the same branch,branch of the same trees,nurtured by the waters and rivers of africa,come to work with us,tiredlessly,towards a non racial governance”
by robert magaleso subukwe, south africa
c0cc0
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Re: Original Jews were black or africans?
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2007, 02:24:17 PM »
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Well, Isreal is right next to Africa, and they escaped out of Egypt, and Egypt is in Africa, so… makes sense. How often does the first testament refer to places in Africa or that were once there?
Yeah, my father and his side of the family avoid pork, celebrate/observe Passover, observe the Sabbath, but not Hanukkah. I have no idea how to spell that word, I know.
I never really understood why I preferred to be called “Isrealite” instead of “Isreali”, but now I recognize the differences. European Jews tend to have names that have Russian, Polish and German influences in them, understandably. I don’t know how diluted the Hebrew language is in the Ethiopian Jewish communities, so I can’t say anything about that.
My name is Hebrew (My dad wanted one ’s’ so my name is Hadasah). I don’t practice any religion, though. Too much conflict over something so unnecessary. It’s not like the Middle East sounds like a great place to live right now, so of course one can’t be surprised at the lack of enthusiasm. =/ I only know what I know because I decided to ask my mom where did I come from. It changed my life forever, but only because I cared to know.
Anyway, I don’t like the idea of black people worshipping a white dude, either. Before you know it you’ll have black dudes buying extensions so that they can have those curls on the sides of their face.
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September 23, 2007 at 3:03 am |
THE AFRICANS ARE THE TRUE JEWS IT HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN BUT STILL OUR RELIGON AMONG OTHER THINGS WERE STOLEN FROM US. IT HAS ALSO BEEN PROVEN THAT THE ORIGINAL RELIGON IN AFRICA BACK THEN WAS JUDIASIM AND THEN WHEN THE EUROPEANS CAME AND CONQUERED US THEY ETHIR KILLED OFF HALF OF US WHO DID NOT WANT TO CONVERT OR WE WERE SOLD INTO SLAVERY AND THOSE WHO PRACTICED THE RELIGON WAS KILLED THE NATIVE TOUNG HEBREW WAS NO LONGER ALLOWED TO BE SPOKEN I MEAN COME ON…… DO U THINK THESE WHITE JEWS OF TODAY ARE ORGINALLY THE CHOSEN PEOPLE …..THEY CONQURED AND STOLE OUR RELIGONthey might be practicers of the truth but they are not theOriginal people of the truth we as black people all need to come together and educate ourselves about this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 28, 2007 at 6:20 pm |
The jews of today are the edomites of the bible. They were conqured by the original jews and adopted their culture.
October 1, 2007 at 2:03 am |
EVEN IF THE ORIGINAL JEWS WERE BLACK ( WHICH I THINK I BELEIVE AFTER READING THIS) IT SAYS IN THE OLD TESTAMANT A JEW IS A JEW WHETHER THEY CONVERTED YESTERDAY OR ARE DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM. I HAVE TRACED MY FAMILY BACK 9 GENERATIONS AND THEY ARE ALL JEWISH BUT I STILL THINK THAT THE CHOSEN PEOPLE ARE ALL JEWS, NOT JUST THOSE WHO ARE DESCENDANTS OF THE FOUNDERS OF THE RELIGION!!! IN OTHER WORDS: THIS ARUGUMENT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE! THE CHOSEN PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO FOLLOW THE RELIGION, NOT ONLY THOSE WHO DESCENDED FROM THE FOUNDERS OF JUDAISM.
November 24, 2007 at 9:40 pm |
I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH BUT IT DOESENT CHANGE ANYTHANG IT IS WHAT IT IS AND THE WORLD CHANGES TO THE TIME ….IF U BELIVE U ARE A JEW THAN GREAT IF NOT THAN THATS FINE TOO AT ONE TIME IM SURE EVERYONE WAS A DARKER COLOR AND LIVE ON THE LAND AND BECAME PEOPLE OF THE SUN ……BUT ONE THING IS 4 SURE AND THAT IS PEOPLE ARE FAR MORE THAN JUST COLOR OR RELIGON ITS KINDA SAD HOW PEOPLE ALMOST ALWAYS FAVOR THERE OWN KIND AND RELIGONS …….WHEN WE SHOULD FAVOR LIFE AND GOOD PEOPLE WHO LOVE TO LOVE
January 5, 2008 at 1:51 am |
It’s Another New Year…
…but for what reason?
“Happy New Year!” That greeting will be said and heard for at least the first couple of weeks as a new year gets under way. But the day celebrated as New Year’s Day in modern America was not always January 1.
ANCIENT NEW YEARS
The celebration of the new year is the oldest of all holidays. It was first observed in ancient Babylon about 4000 years ago. In the years around 2000 BC, the Babylonian New Year began with the first New Moon (actually the first visible cresent) after the Vernal Equinox (first day of spring).
The beginning of spring is a logical time to start a new year. After all, it is the season of rebirth, of planting new crops, and of blossoming. January 1, on the other hand, has no astronomical nor agricultural significance. It is purely arbitrary.
The Babylonian new year celebration lasted for eleven days. Each day had its own particular mode of celebration, but it is safe to say that modern New Year’s Eve festivities pale in comparison.
The Romans continued to observe the new year in late March, but their calendar was continually tampered with by various emperors so that the calendar soon became out of synchronization with the sun.
In order to set the calendar right, the Roman senate, in 153 BC, declared January 1 to be the beginning of the new year. But tampering continued until Julius Caesar, in 46 BC, established what has come to be known as the Julian Calendar. It again established January 1 as the new year. But in order to synchronize the calendar with the sun, Caesar had to let the previous year drag on for 445 days.
http://www.videosvyaz.ru/happy_new_year.htm
March 30, 2008 at 9:50 am |
God has made it known that Christ came for the forgiveness of man’s StupIdNess – some say -’SIN’ -that he was God’s last word on the subject of redemption. Be glad and rejoice that the Lord God, Great Master of Creation and given us freedom through Christ. We are all free we are all brothers and sisters we are all saved but we do not acknowledge any of this. It is highly likely that the first people on earth and therefore the first of God’s creation were from Africa, ‘black’ or dark-skinned and it fairly clear that Christ was the same in terms of color. The Catholics through the Vatican and the Anglicans over the world and many other purveyors of ‘religion’ all live and breathe the same lie and fail to tell clearly the Good News outlined here. We can only ask that the Lord God frees us from these oppressed and suppressed false teachers.
September 4, 2008 at 1:55 pm |
First point, regarding Jewish rights to “Palestine” (or Land of Israel as Jews call it) was the League of Nations Mandate passed by the Council of the League of Nations at the San Remo Conferences of 1920 and 1922, wherein the League upheld the British Balfour Declaration of 1917 and gave the Mandate over Palestine to the British to ADMINISTER western Palestine for the purpose of reestablshing the “Jewish National Home.” That is, to permit the Jews the Right to Return from exile and resettle the “wastelands” and former Ottoman “state lands” in Palestine, and to purchase privately owned land from Arabs for the purpose of this resettlement. The idea was for Jewish immigration to reestablish a Jewish majority in Palestine, and then have a democratic and autonomous Jewish national homeland where non-Jews would have equal civil and religious rights as a minority. In other words, the League did not recognize western Palestine as part of the Arab Greater Nation, but as the JEwish nationial homeland.
Second point, regarding the racial aspects of the original Hebrews, that is controversial, whether Sumerians were black, white or somewhere in between. What is not controversial is that when the first HEbrews went into Egypt and were eventually made servants (or slaves), they mixed with others in Egypt, and finally came out a “mixed multitude.” We know the Bible says that Moses’s last wife was a Cushite. Nothing more is said about it.
I hope this helps.
September 4, 2008 at 6:48 pm |
In the book of Revelation it states that Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. and if Jews where not Black (or are Black) how did Moses pass for an Egyptian for decades. and even in Deut 28:68 it says that And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you. Listening to this scripture the world can try to deny what God has planned for us or even try to deny us what God said was ours already, but we are the only ones who were transported to another continent in a ship. They no the truth but what they are trying to do is plant thoughts in peoples heads to make it seem like light skin is more superior than dark skin but the devil is a liar. I’m sorry but America but Jesus was not pale faced with blue eyes and blonde hair he was bronze skinned with hair like wool: African. Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord.” (Amos 9:7) shows implication that the original Hebrews where of African descent and what God has for us is still ours even though lies have been told.
September 12, 2008 at 5:50 am |
All throughout time the “real” Israellite or Jew has been denied his true place in time. The world “jewish” means subspecies of Jews! the people who call themselves jewish and their ancestors have stolen our true identity and will not expose the truth! We as the true Jew and Israellite need to search for information for the truth in order to free your mind and find our GOD! The true hebrew were not of African descent, they were Jew (black) an Israellite. Africans dont not like black americans because they were a part of the cause of slavery they were the ones (ethiopians) who were given guns and alcohol, trapped us(lost tribes of Israel) we were captured and were scattered in all four parts of the world. We need to start searching for the truth and set our minds hearts and souls free!
September 29, 2008 at 8:01 pm |
this is a blessed site yo..
check this one out too
http://afgen.com/jews.html
March 2, 2009 at 8:26 pm |
To all nonbelievers of the ancient Israelites being of African descent, I would like to turn your attention to the book of Deuteronomy. In particular chapter 28 verse 68, the lord will bring you back to Egypt in ships by the way I said you will never see again and there you will allow yourselves to be sold to your enemies as slaves, male and female. History has shown that while in Egpyt the Hebrews were slaves and blacks are the only people to be taken away by ships. Before the excavation of the Suex Canal in the 1800s Israel and Egypt had no seperation so therefore you couldn’t take a ship from one to the other. Furthermore history has shown that blacks permitted slavery upon themselves by greed and if that does not convince you that the truth has not been told I’m not sure what will.
September 15, 2009 at 10:43 am |
The Moshiach is a human being who will have to bring the Jewish Nation
all over the world together in a time called the last redemption.
The Moshiach’s ability to do that is not by human power or human
knowledge but by the supernatural power of the Holy One of Israel.
The Moshiach brings perfect peace to world by not telling the world to
put down their arms.
The Moshiach is timeless, meaning he had existed before time.
The Moshiach converses directly with the owner of the universe.
The Moshiach brings real meaning to all meaninglessness of the world.
The Moshiach knows death and will stop death throughout the world.
The Moshiach loves humanity.
Humanity was made for the Moshiach.
The Moshiach knows where the first human was dug from.
The Moshiach is the Holy One of Israel’s last messenger to mankind.
The Moshiach is a direct descendant from King David of Biblical times.
The Moshiach ushers the whole world into the state of utopia.
The Moshiach only opens his mouth and the whole world go blind on sin.
The Moshiach brings perfect justice on planet earth.
The Moshiach does not judge by what he sees with his eyes or hears
with his ears.
The Moshiach is neutral
The Moshiach comes from the exact middle of the earth. The cradle of
humanity
The Moshiach suffers very much both physically and emotionally.
Like a movie, The Moshiach’s script is Isaiah 49 which he is going to
read to all humanity when he is outdoored.
The Moshiach does not die
The Moshiach is alive
The Moshiach was born on 11th October, 1975 in an orphanage in Ghana,
The Moshiach is Isaiah 11
The Moshiach is Isaiah 42
The Moshiach is mandated to read the whole chapter of Isaiah 61
The Moshiach has a Law which all gentile nations will put their hope
in
The Moshiach brings both Jews and Gentiles together
The Moshiach suffers to be heard.
The Moshiach knows and explain satisfactorily to every man in simple
language the REAL MEANING OF LIFE
The Moshiach is going to steal the world by surprise
The Moshiach does not preach repentance
The Moshiach even says the time to repent is over
The Moshiach when he gets angry…… psalm 2
The Moshiach is just like David, using very primitive tools to fight the enemy
The Moshiach is the suffering servant(Isaiah 53), one like the son of man Daniel 7, the servant of the Lord (Isaiah 42), the seed of the woman, The root of Jesse (Isaiah 11)… in that day the root of Jesse shall stand as an ensign for the people and the nations shall rally to him.
The Moshiach brings the little rock (TORAH) that came to hit the statue King Nebucadnezar saw in Daniel 2.
The Moshiach is mandated to change the existing human code.
The Moshiach does not make noise in the street, least he is branded as a Lunatic. Isaiah 42
The Moshiach is the prophet like Moses. Deut 18:18
The Moshiach is always in pain and distress. Always crying for humanity
The Moshiach has the new name of Zion (Isaiah 62), and the perfect design of the New Jerusalem (New World) with all 12 gates carefully marked out.
The Moshiach needs help badly. The evil one is really torturing him. The only thing the evil one can’t do to him is to kill him.
HOW DOES HE KNOW HE IS THE MOSHIACH. Answer found in Isaiah 48:16
WE WANT MOSHIACH, WE WANT MOSHIACH, WE WANT MOSHIACH
I warn every Jew reading this that it would have been better if THE MOSHIACH had not come in your generation.
If you are a Jew reading this, then this is the message from the Holy
One of Israel.
HE SAYS EVERY ORPHAN (BE THE FELLOW RICH, POOR, OLD OR YOUNG) ON
PLANET EARTH, BE GIVEN AT LEAST ONE BANANA (FOOD) WHICH DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM TO EAT EVERY MONTH.
IN EFFECT ADAM CAN AND MUST NOW EAT THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT. HE HAS NOW ACCEPTED THAT AN ORPHAN CAN NOW EAT FOOD THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM AND MAKES IT A LAW.
THIS INSTRUCTION WILL CHANGE THE WHOLE FIBER OF THE HUMAN RACE AND THE ENVIRONMENT
THIS IS ALL THE WORLD NEEDS TO BE A PARADISE
EVERY THING HAS GOT IT UNIQUE ID, AND SO NO TWO IN-TAKE OF BREATH IS THE SAME
THE TORAH WILL MAKE THE KNOWLEDGE OF G-D BE ABUNDANT AS WATER COVERS THE SEA.
September 18, 2009 at 11:33 am |
who are the jews the black people or the the white