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BROTHER SPIKE LEE ON OBAMA AND CLINTON FROM POLITICO.COM

April 9, 2008

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BEN SMITH’S BLOG AT POLITICO.COM
April 07, 2008

Spike Lee: Hillary, ‘Massuh Clinton’ ‘would lie on a stack of Bibles’

The filmmaker Spike Lee, in New York Magazine, weighs in on the presidential race:

What do you think of Obama?
I’m riding my man Obama. I think he’s a visionary. Actually, Barack told me the first date he took Michelle to was Do the Right Thing. I said, “Thank God I made it. Otherwise you would have taken her to Soul Man. Michelle would have been like, ‘What’s wrong with this brother?’ ”

Does this mean you’re down on the Clintons?
The Clintons, man, they would lie on a stack of Bibles. Snipers? That’s not misspeaking; that’s some pure bulls***. I voted for Clinton twice, but that’s over with. These old black politicians say, “Ooh, Massuh Clinton was good to us, massuh hired a lot of us, massuh was good!” Hoo! Charlie Rangel, David Dinkins—they have to understand this is a new day. People ain’t feelin’ that stuff. It’s like a tide, and the people who get in the way are just gonna get swept out into the ocean.

By Ben Smith 11:57 AM
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Amen, Spike!

Posted By: micahelinphilly | April 07, 2008 at 11:56 AM

YO!

Posted By: Petra | April 07, 2008 at 11:58 AM

Spike Lee is the man BUT! He could have been a little more articulate…IMO

Posted By: Chanell | April 07, 2008 at 11:59 AM

I’ve long felt that Spike Lee is an arrogant egotistical SOB. But on this topic, I say, RIGHT ON, and TELL IT LIKE IT IS BRO!

Hehe, that was a little tough.

Posted By: MonitaJB | April 07, 2008 at 12:00 PM

wow — real classy.

yes, the clinton’s are slave owners, and respected black politicians are domesticated house slaves.

that languague really helps unite the democrats and the country. but it’s clinton and her supporters that are racists.

Posted By: tim | April 07, 2008 at 12:01 PM

This is clearly off message to have any prominent black speak out in behalf of Obama. Someone get Lee back in the broom closet with Sharpton and Jackson. STAT.

Posted By: Mark Simmons | April 07, 2008 at 12:02 PM

Hummm, I am totally in agreement with Spike Lee……Must be damn cold in hell right now….I knew Global warming was a Lie.

Posted By: Carlisleboy | April 07, 2008 at 12:08 PM

Those who criticize Spike’s comments should study history more. Or read more. They are parrelled from the classic novel ‘Uncle Tom’s Cabin’.

Posted By: Retnep | April 07, 2008 at 12:10 PM

AMEN brother, Amen. Serial LIARS the Clintons are. How come no one asks Chelsea why she sat QUIETLY as her mother told the sniper story? Chelsea KNOWS it was a lie A WHOPPER,because she was there. She must know first hand what incredible liars her parents both are.

Posted By: KMG | April 07, 2008 at 12:18 PM

Spike is right on, but I would add that the Clintons are equal opportunity massuhs. Look how they villified Richardson when he failed to say yessuhm.

Posted By: carmen | April 07, 2008 at 12:21 PM

It might not have been PC, but what Spike said in essence is that: (1) he supports Obama candidacy and was happy that he could give Micheele and Barack a topic of discourse during their courtship. (2) the Clinton’s are factually dishonest (we know this to be true on a number of occasions) and that even under subpeona they would craft a story to suit their purposes and agenda until proven otherwise and (3) that old-line Black political leaders feel some type responsibility to uphold the house of Clinton because they were much better to them than any other Democratic leaders in recent history (also subjectively true). Outside of the personalized attack in Spike delivery, I don’t see any reason to doubt the accuracy of his statements.

Posted By: Eyeswideopen | April 07, 2008 at 12:23 PM

Meanwhile. Unreported by this Blog. Bloomberg news raises issue of Clinton tax deductions for “maintenance services.” Clearly, it “pays” to be a maid at the Clinton household: “Among other details the couple listed $250,000 in cleaning and maintenance expenses on their home for 2003 and 2004 for which they took a partial deduction for their separate home offices.” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aQKAq1WjTDjI&refer=home

Posted By: Earl | April 07, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Its about time that African Anericans stopped putting up with the Clintons and all Democratic politicians that continually take their support for granted. Name one thing that Clinton did for African Americans? Remember Clinton signed Welfare reform that made working people take two different jobs at McDonald’s because he eliminated support for low income working people. But he passed NAFTA to help his corporate buddies ship jobs overseas to make record profits. The only people Bill and Hillary care about are Bill and Hillary. Look at the record not what comes out out their mouth during an election.

Posted By: Richard | April 07, 2008 at 12:25 PM

Spike lee is the man!

Posted By: great19899 | April 07, 2008 at 12:25 PM

He shouldn’t have made a pubic statement like that… but he is right about what he said. People already know it’s true so he didn’t need to say it.

Posted By: louis | April 07, 2008 at 12:28 PM

oh my did he really say it that bluntly ???? cough cough its true its true.

Posted By: TEDDY | April 07, 2008 at 12:28 PM

It is true. The Clintons are congenital liars (David Geffen will attest to this too) and they did nothing for any group. They are mediocrity at its finest.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Amen!

Posted By: Dom | April 07, 2008 at 12:28 PM

Hillary Clinton 2006: In her speech Monday, Clinton, who has never served in the House, told the audience that “when you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I’m talking about.”

Posted By: Penn-Poll | April 07, 2008 at 12:30 PM

BLACK HAVE EVERY BIT AS MUCH RIGHT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS HALF BLACK — AS WOMEN HAVE TO VOTE FOR HILLARY BECAUSE SHE IS TOTALLY FEMINIST-SEXIST — although I would prefer America move beyond both types of discrimination.

Posted By: EDFromNH | April 07, 2008 at 12:37 PM

those Clintons have gone too far. the lies have got to stop… i bet if you dig a little deeper we will see that their involved with this Columbian deal, that her advisor backs. his stepping down is just abother lie and cover up. She wants the nation to think shes so against fair trade and Nafta that she denounced Penn. Im sure he’s the fall guy for the Cintons investments. Their millions of dollars should be investigated.

Posted By: Flo Nightingale | April 07, 2008 at 12:39 PM

As a middle aged, middle class white woman, I agree 100 percent with Spike Lee in his assessment.

Posted By: vwcat | April 07, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Thanks Spike, for telling it like it is. The Clinton’s black support is going down the drain the more Hillary stays in the race.

Posted By: Michael | April 07, 2008 at 12:45 PM

Republicans have been saying for years that the Clintons take black support for granted. In SC, a lot of blacks began to realize that.

Posted By: Mark | April 07, 2008 at 12:49 PM

He is just speaking the truth. WAKE UP HILLRAISERS you are being used.

Posted By: joe st louis | April 07, 2008 at 12:50 PM

Probably the best summary I’ve heard of the choice we have in this primary. The Clinton’s were the best choice we had for the 90s. But in case anyone isn’t aware, this is no longer the 90s. We can choose the conservative DLC establishment Democrat, or we can choose the netroots Democrat who has effectively created the new fundraising base of the party, is about to redraw a more robust electoral map to victory, and who is generating the most excitement. Obama is ushering in a new era where progressives walk tall.

Posted By: jgeeting | April 07, 2008 at 12:50 PM

LOL! Spike should leave some comments on Politico. Ben can you have him as a guest blogger? He’s evaluating this the same I and most of my African American family and friends feel. SAY IT LOUD! I’M AMERICAN AND I’M PROUD!

Posted By: Erik | April 07, 2008 at 12:51 PM

Amen to that

Posted By: jarno Hussein | April 07, 2008 at 12:57 PM

In 1961, a young African-American man, after hearing President John F. Kennedy’s challenge to, “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country,” gave up his student deferment, left college in Virginia and voluntarily joined the Marines. In 1963, this man, having completed his two years of service in the Marines, volunteered again to become a Navy corpsman. (They provide medical assistance to the Marines as well as to Navy personnel.) The man did so well in corpsman school that he was the valedictorian and became a cardiopulmonary technician. Not surprisingly, he was assigned to the Navy’s premier medical facility, Bethesda Naval Hospital, as a member of the commander in chief’s medical team, and helped care for President Lyndon B. Johnson after his 1966 surgery. For his service on the team, which he left in 1967, the White House awarded him three letters of commendation. What is even more remarkable is that this man entered the Marines and Navy not many years after the two branches began to become integrated. While this young man was serving six years on active duty, Vice President Dick Cheney, who was born the same year as the Marine/sailor, received five deferments, four for being an undergraduate and graduate student and one for being a prospective father. Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, both five years younger than the African-American youth, used their student deferments to stay in college until 1968. Both then avoided going on active duty through family connections. Who is the real patriot? The young man who interrupted his studies to serve his country for six years or our three political leaders who beat the system? Are the patriots the people who actually sacrifice something or those who merely talk about their love of the country? After leaving the service of his country, the young African-American finished his final year of college, entered the seminary, was ordained as a minister, and eventually became pastor of a large church in one of America’s biggest cities. This man is Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the retiring pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ, who has been in the news for comments he made over the last three decades. Since these comments became public we have heard criticisms, condemnations, denouncements and rejections of his comments and him. We’ve seen on television, in a seemingly endless loop, sound bites of a select few of Rev. Wright’s many sermons. Some of the Wright’s comments are inexcusable and inappropriate and should be condemned, but in calling him “unpatriotic,” let us not forget that this is a man who gave up six of the most productive years of his life to serve his country. How many of Wright’s detractors, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly to name but a few, volunteered for service, and did so under the often tumultuous circumstances of a newly integrated armed forces and a society in the midst of a civil rights struggle? Not many. While words do count, so do actions. Let us not forget that, for whatever Rev. Wright may have said over the last 30 years, he has demonstrated his patriotism. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0404wrightapr03,0,92000.story in honor of “christian

Posted By: bill | April 07, 2008 at 12:59 PM

This is exactly what Spike is trying to do here people. No one is commenting on the fact that Hillary CLinton lied about her experience. They are counting on the fact that race is going to be the topic of discussion and not looking at the true issue and its not race, but race is very prevalent in todays society.

Posted By: Hello!!! | April 07, 2008 at 01:01 PM

What is wrong with the people in this country? The Clintons are obviously liars. They don’t tell the truth until they are forced. Hillary lied continuously and even when Sinbad admitted she was lying she still denied it by saying that he was a comedian. I can’t see people blaming Obama everytime some body says something bad about Clinton. Obama is not responsible for all of the crazy folk or their crazy comments. But the above comments seem to be true about her lying on a stack of bibles. I want suppot a candidate lying about a small thing like this. Imagine what she will lie about in the future if she became president.

Posted By: penning | April 07, 2008 at 01:01 PM

Heh. But under no circumstance are we to believe that Black people are voting for him just because he’s Black… Being Black I can tell you that is absolute bull dung. My relatives have very good policy driven reasons to vote for him, like he’ll inspre Black people to achieve, which has nothing to do with him being Black. Or “I like his wife,” then a realtive shrieked “she’s a real Black woman!” It is so anti-intellectual it is pathetic. Although I do know people that readily admit they just want to vote for a “Black” person. I can respect a person that admits it.

Posted By: theworldisnotenough | April 07, 2008 at 01:04 PM

As an African American I know what you are saying brother, but you could have used another analogy. We have enough issues to deal with as individuals trying to understand each other. Also, why do people feel that Obama is responsible for everything that another black man says? You will find many black people using terms that are not likeable by other blacks or white and vice versa. I think we need to focus on what Obama has tried to convey in his speech on race and whatever comes out of his mouth. He has no control over other people, just as you and I have no control over other people on this blog, so why charge it to Obama, I don’t think that is fair at all.

Posted By: Angelene Frederick | April 07, 2008 at 01:05 PM

Spike for once you are talking like an AMERICAN . I’ve got a old pick-up complete with gun rack for you brother .

Posted By: nat turner | April 07, 2008 at 01:06 PM

I’ve never been a fan of Lee, but his comments are absolutely accurate. The Clintons have long shown themselves to be rank opportunists who will cozy up to anyone, as long as that person is useful to them. The moment that usefulness ends, the person is discarded. The same with groups. When Bill badly needed the black vote to win the White House, he and Hillary masqueraded as the best friends that blacks ever had. Now, that a black man and the black vote is standing between Hillary and her goal, the Clintons have resorted to every shameless trick to inject race into the campaign in an effort to hobble Obama.

Posted By: richard hincha | April 07, 2008 at 01:07 PM

Obviously, seeing the sort of statements the the Clinton supporters make,(Ed Rendell) many questions surround Clinton’s candidacy.

Posted By: TEE | April 07, 2008 at 01:08 PM

Hey sarcasm off who ever told you that white people were entertained by Spike Lee’s movies? They lied to ya man

Posted By: There is One God and Obama is His Name | April 07, 2008 at 01:10 PM

I am a Native American and find Spike Lee as a funny guy. The Massuh is a bit to much. But I understand why he said it. But African Americans have a chance to vote like they have been doing for years. Bill got the minority vote like Obama is getting now. It’s the moronic Media that is twisting this into a race issue that now won’t go away.. White people, don’t get mad at Blacks, get mad at your own WHITE MEDIA for spinning this into a race bait and fetch race..

Posted By: RED SKY | April 07, 2008 at 01:11 PM

Spike, don’t forget Stephanie Tubbs…”I’m committed to Mussah Clinton!” all she is missing is the knotted scraf wrapped around her head…Mammy.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 01:19 PM

Spike, just did the right thing! (sorry bout that pun).

Posted By: Calvin | April 07, 2008 at 01:24 PM

From reading these comments, it seems like the white mans biggest fear is an outspoken black man. Don’t be afraid, because our next president will be a black man. hahaha

Posted By: Genius | April 07, 2008 at 01:24 PM

Speaking truth to power! Preach on, brother Lee!

Posted By: thebronze | April 07, 2008 at 01:26 PM

Hey Carmen, WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN A CANDIDATE ASK TO VOTE FOR HER BECAUSE IT TAKES HER LONGER TO GET READY IN THE MORNING? GENDER CARD AGAIN!!! SEXISM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By: rafael Hussein | April 07, 2008 at 01:39 PM

Vanessa, what has Senator Obama ever done or said that is racist? I would like to know, and I don’t mean to sound nasty. It’s just that, I know some people who harbor prejudices. Some of them I consider friends. Does that make me a racist?

Posted By: Tony | April 07, 2008 at 01:43 PM

what does massuh mean?

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 01:50 PM

At least Spike noticed that the Clintonestas and Democrats like them are nothing more then liberal plantation owners keeping the blacks dependant on the government. We can only pray he opens his eyes a little further and eventually votes for empowerment for all Americans and votes Republican.

Posted By: Right-minded Frank | April 07, 2008 at 01:50 PM

Dem2008 says “you can grab any black artist and they’ll say that….because they want a 1/2 black president”…. That’s the CRAP Hill-Billy supporters are thinking, that Obama’s in because of Black Pride. Well, there’s apparently a lot of that Black Pride in a lot more whites, blacks, Asians, etc. combined that Hillary is BEHIND in the popular votes, delegates, money raised, states won. Face it: Hill-Billy is losing votes of all colors.

Posted By: Jim | April 07, 2008 at 01:53 PM

You all know Spike Lee has been angry for years!!! I agree with his comments on Rangel and David Dinkins!!! They want more money for themselves. They both live in neighborhoods that separate themselves from the average African American!!!

Posted By: djw | April 07, 2008 at 01:57 PM

I’m an Obama supporter. I also am a black man. For those of you who are trying to use this “massuh clinton” comment to say that Spike is criticizing Hillary then you need to read it again. He’s actually criticizing black political leaders who follow the Clintons around blindly. I don’t agree wholeheartedly with that criticism, but he’s free to express it. This is America. However, he did criticize Clinton herself but only for the Sniper lie, and she totally deserves that one.

Posted By: Gary | April 07, 2008 at 02:16 PM

RIGHT ON! Spike Lee, you can tell a brother from Brooklyn, the place of the well grounded, my roots!! Lee is surely correct on both counts here and pretty soon we’ll be throwing life rafters out to the ocean for all those field n—–s who are gurgling and sputtering and choking they made a mistake and come save them!!! OBAMA ’08!!!!!

Posted By: RuthieM | April 07, 2008 at 02:26 PM

Ben, wow you twisted what he said for a headline. He is saying what everyone I know is saying about the Clintons. They lie and they would do so on a stack of bibles. Not exactly news. As for the last part, he isn’t attacking Hillary. He is going after the people who support her out of some debt to Bill. And I agree, they can either move out of the way or get ran over, regardless of race.

Posted By: TNDem | April 07, 2008 at 02:32 PM

Hillary Lied about her years in the White House, the records show. Hillary Lied about Whitewater,Travelgate,FBIgate,Troopergate,Rose Law Firm tax lawyer Vince Foster get’s killed right before the FBI indictment, Bosniagate, Naftagate,Head of Campaign Strategygate with Nafta. Head of her Campaign Mrs Williams work for a lending Group that bilked homeowners out of Millions. Now they support the Sheiks of Dubai and Abu Dabai that funnel MILLIONS to know terrorist organizations in the Middle East for Protection, security and favors.. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265925,00.html Fired more campaign supporters because of wrong doings. And White women and hillbilly’s think she can do no wrong. This is comedy, GET ‘EM SPIKE!

Posted By: RED SKY | April 07, 2008 at 02:32 PM

Is Spike Lee black?

Posted By: cal | April 07, 2008 at 02:36 PM

Why is it that only Obama’s supporters words become his words? The last time I checked he was a grown man who can speak for himself.

Posted By: Sandra | April 07, 2008 at 02:37 PM

Some of you people are just silly. I guess it takes an African American to know that “Massuh” comments were directed at African American politicians, so why are so many white people in here up in arms over the comment? Unfortunately, what he said was true. Apparently, he just didn’t say it to your liking. Get over it.

Posted By: Link | April 07, 2008 at 02:37 PM

http://smithfiles.com/2008/02/09/hillary-the-movie/

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 02:40 PM

Spike Lee’s comments are situated in a historical discourse that examines the interplay between systemic effects of slavery and internalized racism. Before making these emotional, knee-jerk, reactive comments, you would do well to educate yourself in the discourse before passing judgement. When you understand the context, FULLY, you understand the social commentary that Lee makes. His choice of words seems a non point. The thrust of any artistic movement or artist is freedom of expression. — The tit for tat that consistently reigns on these blogs is so unproductive. Pick up a book sometime and don’t be surprised to find that everything you learned from your K-12 teachers wasn’t the “God’s honest truth”. Wake up and Grow Up.

Posted By: Educate Yourselves | April 07, 2008 at 02:41 PM

http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/pcism/sad_history.htm

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 02:42 PM

In addition to still being a terrific filmmaker (that bank heist movie a cpl yrs ago w/ jodie foster is great) he is dead on accurate.

Posted By: natenyc | April 07, 2008 at 02:43 PM

Funny.

Posted By: scadenhead | April 07, 2008 at 02:45 PM

For the love of God please tell me what does massuh mean? I am not American and google isnt helping.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 02:46 PM

Soon massuh will become the “m” word?

Posted By: cal | April 07, 2008 at 02:50 PM

I’m feeling you Spike, right on! JH Houston,Tx

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 02:53 PM

African Child, you have to understand that black Americans have been raised as victims. They’re taught that they are not as good as the whites, and can’t compete with them. Your ancestors captured and sold their ancestors, so they have good reason to be ****ed. Unfortunately, they’ve been taken advantage of by black leaders as well as everyone else who thought they could make a buck off of them. Without a strong father figure in the home, they’re doomed. And, way too many don’t have that.

Posted By: Sam | April 07, 2008 at 02:53 PM

Spike, why aren’t we seeing more prominent, young, accomplished, black people speak out. Where’s: Denzel Washington, Jay Z, Sean Diddy, Emmit Smith, Tiki Barber, etc. etc. Barack does reflect a new day, a new vision. He excites young people because we yearn for a “color” free society where we’re all equal. Where is everyone, why aren’t they speaking out and helping to close the deal here?

Posted By: JohnA | April 07, 2008 at 02:57 PM

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 02:46 PM, get a hold of the TV movie Roots. Massuh is what the slaves called their masters.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 03:01 PM

JohnA, why aren’t we seeing more prominent, young, accomplished, white people speak out? You’ve got the whole Hollywood crowd who donated millions to the Clintons. Where is their outrage at having been duped by such liars? Shame on Hollywood.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 03:05 PM

SPIKE LEE IS NOT A SURROGATE OF OBAMA………………………. SPIKE LEE HAS BEEN OUTSPOKEN FOR YEARS……………………………………………………………………………………. DON’T EXPECT OBAMA, TO SPEAK OUT AGAIST EVERY NEGATIVE COMMENT OR OPINION, ANOTHER BLACK PERSON, HAS ABOUT CLINTON………………………………………………………………………………….. GROW UP PEOPLE, THIS IS AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT, NOT A JOKE!

Posted By: DeniseGA | April 07, 2008 at 03:10 PM

Lee is talking about black politicians so uncritically voting for Clinton. So mussah is in that context. How is he being racist?

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 03:18 PM

Let’s remind all the HILL-BILLIES here that if this were one of the (three left) Hollywood stars still supporting Hill-Billy’s campaign talking smack about Obama, the Hill-Billies would be really quiet right now. They would be reading all the PA polls instead, which all show Obama gaining and tying Hill-Billy Clinton.

Posted By: Jim | April 07, 2008 at 03:21 PM

I think it’s great that people like Obama can have an influence on film makers like Spike Lee. Lee’s always been a bit fanatical in his choice of words, maybe Obama in the White House will even out his temper and give him a balanced perspective. And can I remind you paranoid racists out there that Obama is half white – any argument that he is racist is laughable. He’d have to hate himself. Obama 08!

Posted By: Jungleboy | April 07, 2008 at 03:46 PM

I agree. Anyone who says that Obama is racist or not a patriot is simply showing their own ignorance. The only thing they accomplish is making themselves look like a fool and alienating anyone who already wasn’t that ignorant. Now if you want to argue policy, then we can have a discussion.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 03:50 PM

You go Spike Lee. Gobama.

Posted By: Cascadian | April 07, 2008 at 04:04 PM

Why are all the ARCHIE BUNKER wannabees keeping Spewing the news about Obama old Pastor? The Media got your heads spinning with pig dung. Rev Wright in my own NATIVE AMERICAN words, the Rev got ahead of himself since 9-11. In his old age and media hyped wisdom, took what was on many Americans and Europeans minds and ranted it into his own words.. Yes it was dumb of him to do it and tape it. But a racist he is not!! Crazy Yes.. Angry Loud mouth, Yep! Anti-American with the freedom of speech, NO.. Racist calling out a person whom seems racist, is like calling a cat, hey cat.. The Media hyped it again and called him a racist and anti-American. How conveinient… They want this to be ugly and get their highest ratings in years.. WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Then all the Racist show up from their caves, like they need more racist rants to co-inside with their racist veiws. There you go. Rev Wright should fit well with White Racist society idea’s or better yet, to all those who opposed the war, Rev Wright is your man of action since he served this country well. He gave God’s word to Obama. Obama took the Christian word and nothing else to his soul. Rev Wright until 9-11 did he start to spew DISPLACED ANGER, not HATE.. But racist only see hate, so they can feel hate when they want to see it.. What a silly bunch you are.. It’s like Catholic’s all knew for 40 plus years that the Priest were molesting children, but keep going to the same churches even now.

Posted By: RED SKY | April 07, 2008 at 04:13 PM

I agree with Spike that the Clintons will lie at any time. goooooo Spike Obama rocks..

Posted By: NWBurnout | April 07, 2008 at 04:16 PM

I think that most whites and some Blacks miss the point Spike Lee is trying to make. I don’t think HE is making it about race. I think (in my opinion) what he is trying to say that older Black politicians play to this allegiance to the Clintons much like some slaves during slavery times. I don’t think he is calling anyone a racist or can one infer that he is a racist. I think that when anyone mentions that Obama is Black or makes any reference to it, it’s pulling race into this election. I don’t know what rocks people have been under, but race is in this election. Any time a Black American runs for public office it’s about race. Skin color is not anything we can hide, take off, or ignore. It is who we are, whether the masses want to realize it or not. You can hate Spike Lee for his comment, but all in all, it’s his opinion. Just like you have yours. Stop being so judgemental. If you don’t like Obama, exercise your right to vote and vote for someone else. In the end you will be doing yourself a disservice because no matter what you say, he is the best candidate to lead this country into a more positive situation both domestically and internationally.

Posted By: annonymous | April 07, 2008 at 04:19 PM

Sydney – the last thing the Clintons would want is to be judged by their character. They never did anything for any of their consituents, simply enriching themselves through their powerful positions. They lie constantly. They have treated women abhorrantly. They have led to the deaths of thousands of Mexicans simply trying to find their way to a better way of life in order to score cheap political points and in no way make our country safer. Do I need to go on? Obama on the other hand is brilliant and has dedicated his life to serving others. More than words, Sydney. For everyone who keeps talking about Obama’s so-called lies, I want an itemized list of them. I’m sure they’ve been debunked but you simply don’t care to provide that part of the story so I will.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 04:21 PM

HILL-ARIOUS! So true Spike. As a young black woman I have seen my parents and others of the negroid persuasion say the same thing. Black people who are not doing research… but are voting for the Clintons’ ??cause Clinton been good to black folks” is frustrating. Thankfully, the younger generation is doing their homework!!!

Posted By: Tahari Austin | April 07, 2008 at 04:23 PM

I feel sorry for the poor saps who think that anybody is “bringing race into this”. These are the same idiots who think that racism doesn’t exist just because it’s underground. No one has set race relations back. In fact. They’re getting better, because it’s being talked about. If you ain’t about progression, the fall back! This is white guilt in reverse lol. No one faults white people for having predjudices, but it makes it three times worse when they act as if they don’t have any. Spike Lee’s movies were all about politics in some way, so the unlearned need to fall back. He isn’t going to pull any punches, and he definitely isn’t gonna sugar coat his speech to save anyone’s feelings. Dead on man, dead on.

Posted By: Queixada | April 07, 2008 at 04:24 PM

All the white people here pretending to be black can stop perpetrating. People with half a brain can spot you a mile away..

Posted By: Queixada | April 07, 2008 at 04:32 PM

I agree with what Spike Lee said, its the truth. But he could have said it better. It makes for a good quote in the media. They are going to try to see if his quote ruffles some feathers.

Posted By: Will n louisville | April 07, 2008 at 04:36 PM

I must say I agree with Spike on this one.

Posted By: Lady Hussein | April 07, 2008 at 04:40 PM

She signed a pledge – no delegates in FL or MI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow&feature=related

Posted By: mom | April 07, 2008 at 04:42 PM

I feel the same way as Spike Lee, I never thought I’d say that.

Posted By: Daniel | April 07, 2008 at 04:54 PM

Could we tone it dowm a bit. I support Obama but could be keep the emotions under raps. I will take the will and vote of all Americans to elect Obama. He needs to ride the tide social justice and fair play for all. Never have I seen this amount of white voters in support of a non-white candidate. People America has grown.

Posted By: chris | April 07, 2008 at 04:56 PM

“Massuh Clinton was good to us, massuh hired a lot of us, massuh was good!” Have a white person say these words and he/she has Sharpton and Jackson crawling all over him/her for racism. Black guy Spike says it and it is fine. Double standards all around.

Posted By: Silas Warner | April 07, 2008 at 05:18 PM
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Spike and Jeremiah speak the sad but obvious truth: Massuh Clinton is doing the black people the way he did Monica and the way he does anyone who gets in his way, he RIDES EM DIRTY. Throw in Missus Hillary and its nothin but a THREESOME. They be RIDIN DIRTY and SWITCHIN OFF.

Posted By: NOMOHILLARY | April 07, 2008 at 05:22 PM

Judge the Clintons by their characters? Bwahhhhhh! Even King would role his eyes on this one.

Posted By: morally bankrupt | April 07, 2008 at 05:59 PM

Spike: I have bad news for you. You voted for Clinton twice and now see that it was just pure BS. CONGRATULATIONS!!! That automatically makes you… a republican. Welcome to the club! We all agree with you. Clinton was pure BS.

Posted By: franky | April 07, 2008 at 06:23 PM

Some people keep saying they will not support Obama because someone black said blah blah blah. Some of you hypocritical (white people)people are an inch away from being full blown racist anyway, if anytime someone black says something offensive it equates to statements like ” I for one WILL not support Obama” . Well dont. WITH OR WITHOUT THE PRESIDENCY CHANGE IS ALREADY HERE. SO DEAL WITH IT ANY WAY YOU MUST.

Posted By: tracksta | April 07, 2008 at 06:55 PM

Awesome! Alright Spike!

Posted By: AG | April 07, 2008 at 06:59 PM

Yo. Well, I would have to agree with the brother. P.S. What does “Massuh” mean?

Posted By: sophia*nyc | April 07, 2008 at 07:54 PM

Newsflash folks…Spike Lee is a MOVIE DIRECTOR. Why are you people now blaming Obama for Spike’s comments? Sheesh….get a grip for God’s sake!

Posted By: Gilberto Gil | April 07, 2008 at 08:40 PM

Spike Lee is being funny, provocative, in his words as he is in his films. Sheesh. He likes getting rises out of people. All the people here saying that this is “Obama injecting race into the campaign” or whatever are really grasping at straws, for reasons we all know. (Seen the polls today? Seen the superdelegate count? Seen the Mark Penn fiasco?) Thanks, Ben for sharing this moment of entertainment and thanks, all of you intrepid posters, for adding your own humorous notes.

Posted By: lostintranslation | April 07, 2008 at 08:42 PM

Spike cracks me up – always. He’s hilarious.

Posted By: rikyrah | April 07, 2008 at 08:58 PM

to Massuh_Spike You say 99% of blacks are voting for Obam a anyway huh. We are supposed to allow your selfish azz people to destroy this country before realizing it’s time for Them to leave political office. Screw that shyt. You’re mad because people choose not to let you all fukc this country up any further and just stand by. Thats the real issue, you people believe this country is yours, to completely fuk up and destroy if necessary. If its to be fixed, it must be shown to the world THAT YOU FIXED IT. You people believe that no job , political office, or position of status is to be given to a minority until the prestige and power are all being orchestrated by some man behind a curtain. They will release the presidency when they have a secret government already in place. Then the presidency is equivalent to a figurehead position, ie queen of england

Posted By: tracksta | April 07, 2008 at 09:20 PM

thank you Spike Lee! You forgot about Congresswoman Shelia Jackson-Lee, Maxine Waters and Stephnie Jones-Tubbs those wash women will do anything for Massuh and nim. You know some black people still think they are on a COTTON PLANTATION…

Posted By: AlligatorShuz | April 07, 2008 at 09:37 PM

As a black 54 year old woman I am amazed and saddened, although not surprised, to see so many white people that still don’t have a clue. I’m not playing “the victim” because I live a good life in the greatest country in the world but anybody that thinks it is easy to be black in America is living in their own narrow-minded reality, not the real world, and to have the audacity to be so angry is alarming. Try walking a mile in my shoes and see if you’re singing the same song. Your ignorance is astounding.

Posted By: Rademi | April 07, 2008 at 09:43 PM

Spike Lee you hit it on the nail!

Posted By: ceci | April 07, 2008 at 10:10 PM

This is not a race issue, not by a long shot. Spike is right about the BS. It is the dawn of a new era. Senator Obama comes in with a clean slate and a vision of change. How much progress he makes remains to be seen. However this is clearly a step in the right direction. We are now in our twentieth year of governance by two families. Should we make it twenty eight. I don’t think so. We’re in close proximity but we are not Cuba. Let freedom change.

Posted By: NYC | April 07, 2008 at 10:41 PM

When black people act on their self interest, its because their black. But when white people act in their self interest, its patriotic/normal. Shut up.

Posted By: Queixada | April 07, 2008 at 10:44 PM

“Ben is such a tool…his last five posts are SPIKE LEE (angry black man)…(high profile)Clinton Boycott…Obama can’t win over white men…Denver Hookers?…and that “shadowy” SEIU…Wonder who he’s rooting for? Seems like anybody but Obama. Lame.” Can we please stop ragging on Ben. Honestly, EVERY post he makes he’s supposedly picked a side. He makes one about Clinton messing up or being wrong, he’s an Obama-lover. He makes a post about something Obama said being controversial or Obama making a mistake and suddenly he’s Clinton’s personal aide. In all honesty Ive seen Ben make just about as many posts supporting Hillary as he has Barrack. So enough with blaming Ben Smith for news you don’t like. And for the record, so this doesn’t look like some Clinton supporter defending their candidate, I’m voting for Obama. I just don’t like people blaming the reporters for the bad news.

Posted By: | April 07, 2008 at 10:49 PM

Totally agree with you, Spike. The day of Bill Clinton as the big, white massa man is over. I’d would go you one step further: these two Clintons would lie to God’s face.

Posted By: Dayahka | April 07, 2008 at 11:23 PM

Clinton Body Count: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/deaths.html The life you save may be your own. Liars, thieves, and conspirators!!!

Posted By: Gary | April 07, 2008 at 11:25 PM

I am a 55 year old white man in Mississippi and I totally agree with Spike Lee. It bewilders me that so many peole do not see through the Clintons. Hillary is worse about lying than Bill. I am definitely in Obama’s corner.

Posted By: Larry | April 08, 2008 at 12:18 AM

AmeriKKKans spend too much time on Black and White! The same AmeriKKKans call themselves Christians, attend church, and pretend that they are 100% perfect!

Posted By: Tupac | April 08, 2008 at 12:30 AM

Blacks can say things like that about other blacks, just like blacks can use the “N” word. That’s just how it is. But he’s right on about the Clintons. I voted for Lying Bill twice, too, but I will never vote for Hillary. Bill was a personable SOB, but she just leaves me cold.

Posted By: Jayne1955 | April 08, 2008 at 12:46 AM

People Stop allowing these racist people to waste your time. Stop denouncing/condeming your social circle upon their request. I am no more responsible for my twin brothers statements than he is for mine. I came across a post by some women who stated “do catholics leave the church when they find out a priest has been sticking his dyck inside childrens azz and or mouths . To hell with the sanatized word molestation. Say it like it is, so the kids (victims) can understand. Sling that trash right back in there faces, they got way more **** under the rug than anyone in this country.

Posted By: tracksta | April 08, 2008 at 01:10 AM

Dear Kathy, You white savages were living in caves and feeding on rodents when Africans built the Pyramids and many more engineering marvels in Sudan (Mero?) and Ethiopia or Abyssinia (Axumite Empire). Read a little bit of history and visit some African countries before you open you filthy and ignorant mouth. Blacks started civilization some 9000 years ago but as witnessed through out history, nothing is permanent, hence they live off of “food stumps”. However, their eventual return to their historic place is only a matter of time. In the meantime, just to jolt your fuzzy memory a bit, there wasn’t a country called US, Britain or France when the Abyssinians were one of the four great powers of the world along with China and Persia, pioneering the way from barbarism to civilization. In case you don’t know, they are the only African (black) power to ever defeat a modern European colonial power (Italy) and send shock waves through you lil whiteys neck of the wood. Not just that; after the the American civil war was over, both the unionist and confederate ruthless and racist generals like William T. Sherman and William Wing ?Old Blizzards? Loring enlisted in the Khedive of Egypt army and invaded Ethiopia to only be annihilated by a black army.
In effect Ethiopia, an African country, fought three continental armies of North American led by Colonel Loring, Asia Minor led by the Ottomans and quasi-African-Arab-European Egypt led by Ismael Pasha, the Khedive of Egypt. The plans of the Khedive to conquer the ?Barbarian Habashis? and take their Blue Nile Basin was childish in itself as the Ethiopians with little arms that they possessed, had a more sophisticated and intelligent plan that sent the pitiful invaders running to the shoreline of Mistewa (Massawa) where they were having real fits of nervous breakdowns.
Of course blacks have a proud and heroic history. Just because they didn’t come to Europe and America recently, to burn and plunder whites’ wealth, and enslave, rape and hang some of you from the tree as you have done to blacks in your murderous recent past, that doesn’t mean that blacks are any less intelligent than whites. If anything, it proves that blacks don’t have your kind of “intelligence,” which simply is an innate visceral reaction of a racist and murderous grid. Cheers!

Posted By: Remember Adewa | April 08, 2008 at 01:38 AM

vince f is a trip (in a good way)! all i can say is PREACH, spike, PREACH!!! OBAMA ’08!

Posted By: sickofhermess | April 08, 2008 at 01:54 AM

Race has been a part of this campaign especially leading up to the voting in the heavily black populated areas(by the media and citizens alike never letting us forget about Race in America). Why is most people so afraid of a black president? History will still be history. You can’t erase history with the first black president! Are the citizens of the US really afraid that they will have to put President Obama in the American History book oppose to the notation only in the Black History Book in February (The official Black History month). Needless to say the shortest month of the year. Furthermore, only one month for Black History. We have 12 months, why not split it 50/50 or take it away and call it American History and include all Americans regardless of color. I personally take offense to Black History. Regardless of person’s color, history is history. Or is it “his story?” February, Black History Month and Barak Obama record breaking fundraising month (oh so sweet). Isn’t that ironic? March, not so bad either. Oh, my . . . we must change history! Why is the US so afraid of a black president? Here’s to you Rachel and likes of Rachel . . . Why do you think African American need to be vindicated? Ok, lets assume we need to be vindicated. It will take 100 black presidents doing the right thing (not just for black and white but for all races). Posted By: rachel | April 07, 2008 at 12:32 PM

Posted By: PeaceLily | April 08, 2008 at 02:37 AM

Spike is not the only one callin’ em like he sees em! Hillary has done her share! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVaEuE90ifg

Posted By: myshell | April 08, 2008 at 08:37 AM

e-mail: bsmith@politico. com

Truth-tellers unite! Spike is on-target, just like Olbermann. Truth hurts a bit.

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THIS BLACK MAN WHO BACKS BILLARY SAYS OBAMA WILL BE PRESIDENT! FROM TIME MAGAZINE,APRIL 1,2001

April 2, 2008

from time.com

THE PAGE (TIME MAGAZINE)
Backer: “I’d Say Barack Obama is Going to Be the Next President”Tuesday, April 1st, 2008Article
Though Congressman/superdelegate Emanuel Cleaver supports Clinton, he says of Obama:

“I will be stunned if he’s not the next president of the United States.”

Likens race to uphill football game: “Even though I don’t expect the Kansas City Chiefs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, I cheer for the Kansas City Chiefs.”

SISTER ALICE WALKER ON OBAMA:WHITE GIRLS AIN’T EVER HELPED ME EITHER! FROM GUARDIAN.CO.UK

April 1, 2008

from guardian.co.uk

Obama is the change that America has tried to hide
Only one candidate offers the radical departure for the 21st century the US needs, for its own sake and the rest of the world’s
Alice Walker The Guardian, Tuesday April 1 2008 Article historyAbout this articleClose This article appeared in the Guardian on Tuesday April 01 2008 on p32 of the Comment debate section. It was last updated at 00:05 on April 01 2008. I have come home from a long stay in Mexico to find – because of the presidential campaign, and especially because of the Obama-Clinton race for the Democratic nomination – a new country existing alongside the old. On any given day we, collectively, become the goddess of the three directions and can look back into the past, look at ourselves just where we are, and take a glance, as well, into the future. It is a space with which I am familiar.

When I joined the freedom movement in Mississippi in my early 20s, it was to come to the aid of sharecroppers, like my parents, who had been thrown off the land they’d always known – the plantations – because they attempted to exercise their “democratic” right to vote. I wish I could say white women treated me and other black people a lot better than the men did, but I cannot. It seemed to me then, and it seems to me now, that white women have copied all too often the behaviour of their fathers and their brothers. In the south, especially in Mississippi, and before that, when I worked to register voters in Georgia, the broken bottles thrown at my head were gender-free.

I made my first white women friends in college; they loved me and were loyal to our friendship, but I understood, as they did, that they were white women and that whiteness mattered.

I am a supporter of Barack Obama because I believe he is the right person to lead the United States at this time. He offers a rare opportunity for the country and the world to do better. It is a deep sadness to me that many of my feminist white women friends cannot see him, cannot hear the fresh choices toward movement he offers. That they can believe that millions of Americans choose Obama over Clinton only because he is a man, and black, feels tragic to me.

When I have supported white people, it was because I thought them the best to do the job. If Obama were in any sense mediocre, he would be forgotten by now. He is, in fact, a remarkable human being, not perfect but humanly stunning, like King was and like Mandela is. He is the change America has been trying desperately and for centuries to hide, ignore, kill. The change it must have if we are to convince the rest of the world that we care about people other than our (white) selves.

True to my inner goddess of the three directions, however, this does not mean I agree with everything Obama stands for. We differ on important points, probably because I am older; I am a woman and person of three colours (African, Native American, European); I was raised in the south; and, when I look at the world after 64 years of life, there is not one person I wish to see suffer.

I want a grown-up attitude to Cuba, for instance, a country and people I love. I want an end to the war immediately, and I want the soldiers to be encouraged to destroy their weapons and drive themselves out of Iraq. I want the Israeli government to be made accountable for its behaviour to the Palestinians, and I want the people of the US to cease acting as if they don’t understand what is going on. But most of all I want someone with the confidence to talk to anyone, “enemy” or “friend”, and this Obama has shown he can do.

It is hard to relate what it feels like to see Mrs Clinton (I wish she felt self-assured enough to use her own name) referred to as “a woman” while Barack Obama is always referred to as “a black man”. One would think she is just any woman, but she is not. She carries all the history of white womanhood in the US in her person; it would be a miracle if we, and the world, did not react to this fact. How dishonest it is, to try to make her innocent of her racial inheritance.

I can easily imagine Obama sitting down and talking to any leader – or any person – in the world, with no baggage of past servitude or race supremacy to mar their talks. I cannot see the same scenario with Clinton, who would drag into 21st-century US leadership the same image of white privilege and distance from others’ lives that has so marred the country’s contacts with the rest of the world. But because Clinton is a woman and may be very good at what she does, many people (some in my own family) originally favoured her. I understand this, almost. It is because there is little memory, apparently, of the foundational inequities that still plague people of colour and poor whites.

When I offered the word “womanism” many years ago, it was to give us a tool to use, as feminist women of colour, in times like these. These are the moments we can see clearly, and must honour devotedly, our singular path as women of colour in the US. We are not white women, and this truth has been ground into us for centuries. But neither are we inclined to follow a black person, man or woman, unless they demonstrate considerable courage, intelligence, compassion and substance.

We have come a long way, sisters, and we are up to the challenges of our time, one of which is to build alliances based not on race, ethnicity, colour, nationality, sexual preference or gender, but on truth. Even if Obama becomes president, our country is in such ruin it may be beyond his power to lead us to rehabilitation. If he is elected, however, we must, as citizens of the planet, insist on helping him do the best job that can be done; more, we must insist that he demand this of us. And remember, as poet June Jordan and Sweet Honey in the Rock never tired of telling us: We are the ones we have been waiting for.

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COMMENTS:

N8atTU

April 1, 2008 2:54 AM

Personally, I agree with more or less everything you said. However, you could have been more persuasive like mentioning some of the legislation authored or co-authored by Obama. By not being more concrete, you’ve invited the racist, sexist comments by the ignorant that have appeared already.

For a blog post that goes into more detail on how Obama stacks up to Hillary, see http://www.tinyurl.com/27e7op

dumuzi

April 1, 2008 3:07 AM

Thank you, Alice Walker. I have read a lot of articles and blogs about this campaign, but none has better encapsulated the reason why Obama offers the world such a precious and necessary opportunity.

What good fortune to have the chance to elect a president who truly understands that we are the people we have been waiting for, at this particular point in our history. The Bush administration has poisoned the world with misguided motivation, intended to benefit the few over the many. The people they have been ignoring desperately need to be given an opportunity to sort things out for themselves, without interference from those who have proven themselves to be hopelessly out of touch with their needs. Indeed, we need leaders who both understand those needs and will provide us with the resources we need to get on with our lives.

How amazing that we are now being offered this opportunity. Let’s hope we recognize it before it is too late.

Anyone who voted to authorise the invasion of Iraq, the most disastrous political decision of my lifetime, was out of touch. That Senator Clinton refuses to take responsibility for her part in this makes it clear that she will err again, and thus exacerbate the suffering that Ms Walker so rightly deplores. This is the kind of denial that makes one remember sniper bullets that didn’t exist. Clinton’s goddess of the past seems to be lost, and disoriented, and it makes one wonder about the other two.

The posters above are wrong, and Ms Walker is right. Obama is not perfect, but he offers us much of what we need, and a lot more besides.

AnotherTexasPete

April 1, 2008 3:15 AM

I am a supporter of Barack Obama because I believe he is the right person to lead the United States at this time.

Good for you, Ms. Walker. Unfortunately, not all Americans are ready to be led in the post-racial, post-partisan direction that Mr. Obama offers. But it is a direction in which we must go.

Marko645

April 1, 2008 3:34 AM

Texansrule is not what the rest of the world dislikes about The US but the fact you have a strong military and economy it is the way your government uses the military to exercise it’s ill perceived God given right to further it’s own military and economic interests at the expense and suffering of other countries around the world, through bribery, war, veto’s, trade embargo’s and your own brand of international terrorism.

How you can sit there and worry about what Obama will bring to the table after 8 years of Bush is simply shocking, it seems to me that people like you are the ones who fear any kind of change to the present status quo. And with the economy on the slide already will 3 years down the line no doubt be blaming Obama (when he comes to power)

Everyone of your points has been feebly thought out and you smack of some Old time bigoted white Southerner whose ideology is on the ropes, what did you expect Obama to say to Rev Wright ? Lets face it, he wasn’t far from the truth.

You seem way off track of current world political debate and purposely blind to the crimes your own government has committed on the world, or firmly camped in the ‘for the greater good’ argument until catastrophy and terror hit your own doorstep, you appear a small minded fearful man afraid that all he knows will change forever with the election of Obama. I hope I am wrong.

Get over it, you will see it will be better.

enzymatic

April 1, 2008 3:54 AM

I grew up white in white south africa, a racist country with no knowledge of the world outside or self knowledge. I grew up with the people like those who make the racist and nasty remarks on this site. I witnessed a change move through the country and I watched people change with the changes. The thing that saddened me most was watching vicious Mandela opponents turn into Mandela supporters overnight. My own family was torn apart by the conflict. Even before his release, my brother was convinced that Mandela was an evil instrument of the ‘communists’.
Then Mandela revealed his grace and political genius and people came around.Not only did they support him, they conveniently rewrote their political biographies. They invented new and bold tales about how they oppposed apartheid and how they were instruments of change.

I guess I should try to emulate Mandela’s empathy and I should be hopeful that all the people with nastiness within them will eventually find the compassion in their hearts to accept and forgive.
I know Obama has that empathy. So, like Alice Walker, I too believe in Obama and although I am white I believe I can also speak with some experience. Get over it whiteys, a black man can and will
lead us. And we will all be better for it. Trust me. I’ve been there.

oncemanc

April 1, 2008 3:58 AM

Johnmastrangelo and FearDearg – “obama is just another elite guy who went to the ivy league. he is just a pol from chicago who can give a good speech, i wish he was a big deal but he is not.” Change “Obama” to “Roosevelt” and “Chicago” to “Albany” and it expresses what you might have thought in 1932. People voted massively for FDR as a rebuke to the Republicans, not because he was a progressive; in fact, before his Presidency, he didn’t have much of a record as a progressive. As President, largely thanks to the strength of his oratory he set the Congress and the people on the road to recovery. He earned a reputation among the wealthy elite (who were too stupid to understand that he saved capitalism from itself) as a traitor to his class. Hillary is a singularly uninspiring technocrat – otherwise the US might have enacted national health coverage during Bill Clinton’s presidency. Our desperate straits call for a leader who can inspire just like FDR. Obama’s the one.

deanphillips

April 1, 2008 3:59 AM

It’s quite pathetic how white people who are racist always try to disguise that fact by turning things around and accusing black people of being “racist,” as if that somehow gives them license to express their own hatred. The sad part is the denial…

ChrisDow

April 1, 2008 4:01 AM

It is obvious that America is not ready for a black president or significant change. To characterize Obama, his wife, and his pastor and Alice Walker as racist is only testament to the depth and breadth of fear and ignorance so pervasive in American political discourse surrounding race and class. This pathological lack of self reflection allowed a homicidal half-witted chimp to lead the country into a ruinous and destructive $3 trillion dollar war only to benefit the interests of the corporate oligarchy. Obama is certainly no revolutionary and his connections to corporate interests is not substantially different from any other contenders. If his presence is enough to trigger such a paranoid reaction I hold little hope for the country.

deanphillips

April 1, 2008 4:32 AM

Dear Brits, please ignore the horribly offensive comments from the trolls on this site. They all came over from a link on the Drudge Report, a favorite site of Rethuglicans. They are not representative of the majority of Americans. They are in fact terrified of Obama, because they know they can’t beat him, hence the hysterical postings to try to tear him down. Obama has formed a powerful and growing coalition of youth, educated Americans and people of ethnicity, and this coalition will take him all the way to the White House in November. He has raised more money than any candidate in history. He has built the most massive grass roots campaign, powered by the people, of any candidate in American history. And contrary to the postings here that accuse him of being corporate, his campaign is entirely funded by small donations from more than a million people. As Alice Walker writes here, he truly is a transformative leader. The fact that some people don’t comprehend that yet just proves her observation that some of us are still looking to the past.

lcaid

April 1, 2008 4:46 AM

Dear Uniting, I read every word. Thank you to my soul for using your intellect and resources to say much of what we Obama supporters know, but won’t take the time to articulate. Your post is an example of how we can and should make positive arguments for our candidate. In my laziness and malaise, I defeatistly conclude that if I have to spell it out for some people, they aren’t likely to hear anyway. But, you’ve shown that spelling it out can be done well, and it reflects positively on us as supporters. If I may speak for Obama supporters, Obama supporters are not naive, we are sound and rational thinkers in good company, as is our candidate. Thank you for showing us in that light, Uniting.

futang

April 1, 2008 5:02 AM

Sadly, the jump on this story in the US belongs to The Drudge Report. It should be renamed The Dregs Report, because the vast majority of its readers represent the dregs of American society. You can always tell when an article has been posted there, because the comments section becomes filled with the ignorant ranting of our shortest mental midgets.

Fortunately, these people are a dying breed. Their irrelevance to America’s future is well-known to anyone in the US that matters.

This was a great column, and gets right to the heart of the Obama/Clinton question. On the one hand we have a forthright candidate, who owns up to his blemishes and doesn’t attempt to sweep them under the rug, and on the other we have a mendacious career politician who will literally say anything to get elected, up to and including fabricating stories about non-existent foreign policy experience.

Clinton represents a dying breed of politician, one that a great many younger Americans can’t wait to see in the rearview mirror. Obama represents a different kind of politics, and a different kind of vision for Americans. I haven’t been excited about a candidate in a very long time. It’s clear from the tenaciousness with which the old guard is trying to bring him down that the establishment is terrified of an Obama presidency.

Hopefully, our citizens, and the superdelegates, will not let this opportunity to elevate our nation pass us by. Hopefully the rednecks and bigots who do nothing but consume mind-numbingly poisonous right-wing media and talk radio will cease reproducing and spreading their incredibly narrow-minded views.

There are a large number of American citizens who are frankly embarrassed by these Neanderthals in our midst. I hope that our brothers and sisters around the world recognize that we’re not all as bereft of brain cells as our countrymen posting their hateful garbage on here.

deanphillips

April 1, 2008 5:02 AM

“Obama will probably win the election, more due to the ineptness of his opponents rather than any talent on his part.”

You’re joking right? He rose from nowhere in four years and is now about to beat the most entrenched political machine in Democratic politics. Sure, the Clintons have made plenty of mistakes, but Obama’s campaign formulated a brilliant strategy at the outset, have executed it nearly flawlessly, and now have the Clintons and all their minions with their backs to the wall. That took brilliance.

gunnison

April 1, 2008 5:21 AM

OK .. so some of the headier statements by some Obama supporters are a little much…but his statements are coherent, thoughtful, and, yes, eloquent. Since when is it suspicious to be able to make a compelling and coherent speech? Since it went out of fashion with dubya?
But, and here’s the thing, I am unaware of a single spiteful or hateful word in any speech the man ever made. Which is more than we can say for the trolls here with all their Barack “hussein” Obama innuendo and potty-mouth crap.
But keep it up guys. You remind us all of what we want to change away from. You help make the man look better by the day.
Good article too.

JHCorcoran

April 1, 2008 5:29 AM

Alice Walker; thank-you for your beautiful words. Toni Morrison was also eloquent in her support of Senator Obama. A good choice.

People talk about his lack of experience. My favorite Presidents lacked experience; Teddy Roosevelt – he started the National Park System; Abe Lincoln – Tried to end slavery(read Douglas Blackmon)and keep this country together; John F. Kennedy – Could admit when he was wrong and fought for equality. They all had good judgement, which is essential for a good president.

I believe Senator Obama has good judgement. I known Senator Clinton is a teller of tales. I do respect Senator McCain for his service to our Country. But my vote goes to Senator Obama because of his transparency of his record, his refusal to disown a person (because the world has viewed seconds of his words, without looking at the entire canvas of a human being that has produced so much good for a community in need), because of his intelligence, and yes, his words. He is wise, and straight forward and this Country needs this right now (actually we always need this). Senator Obama is not superman (remember Congress has the power) but like Czechoslovakia, after Soviet Rule, they elected an intellectual. This was good.

Finally, I am not a blogger, but I had to comment on your piece. As a white woman, I understand your comments about race(without relating to them). It is true that as a white person, I automatically get a pass in life (as long as I’m ablebodied – my brother was mentally retarded, his white skin provided no advantage). And reading some of the comments from individuals that actually think your words are racist just baffles me about how ignorant and unkind us Americans can be. I’m so sorry for these sad words from fellow countrymen of our beautiful, wonderful Country. They probally feel it is easier to go through life blindfolded.
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JillK

April 1, 2008 6:42 AM

Posted by: nicemerkan

“He isn’t qualified to be a U.S. Senator. There is no legislation and nothing that he has accomplished in the Illinois or U.S. Senate. So I don’t get why I should vote for him.”

This is completely untrue.

In the Illinois Legislature he pretty much single-handedly pushed through Death Penalty reform legislation that now requires all interviews of suspects in capital crimes to be audio or video taped, severely reducing the number of false confessions, and thereby the number of false convictions.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/12/obama.death.penalty.ap/

Then there’s the Coburn-Obama Bill that created a searchable internet database of federal spending, http://www.usaspending.gov/.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c/

Obama also sponsored an amendment that requires lobbyists to disclose the candidates, PACs, or political parties they collect or arrange contributions for. The amendment was passed by unanimous consent and attached to the Senate ethics bill, which was signed into law on September 15, 2007.

The Lugar-Obama proliferation and threat reduction initiative was signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/070111-lugar-obama_non/

And this is just a very, VERY short list. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, seems to have gotten little more than naming a bunch of post offices passed into law. See for yourself from her own website (click the “Bills Sponsored” buttons): http://www.senate.gov/~clinton/senate/legislation/

For the record, Barack Obama also enjoys the support and endorsement of several prominent Republicans:

Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of Dwight D.: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/01/AR2008020102621.html?nav=hcmodule
Doug Kmiec, former head of the Office of Legal Counsel (U.S. Assistant Attorney General) for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush: http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/convictions/archive/2008/03/23/endorsing-obama.aspx
Tom Trimarco, former Secretary of Administration and Finance under Mitt Romney: http://www.necn.com/Boston/Politics/Longtime-Bay-State-Republican-turns-Obamacan/1207015293.html
Illinois Senator Kirk Dillard: http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/25/republican-il-senator-kirk-dillard-on-barack-obama/

Make no mistake, Barack Obama is a man of substance who will bring this country together and forge positive change in ways neither Senator Clinton nor Senator McCain could ever hope to.

Teacup

April 1, 2008 7:23 AM

Ms Walker,

I apologise for the personal vituperation addressed to you on this thread. You are a great writer and I thank you for all that you have taught me through your writing.

I wish I could agree about Mr. Obama, but I wonder about his lack of experience. Also, I think the Republicans should not get away with creating a mess and expecting others to clean it up.

All said and done, it is up to you and your compatriots. I only hope the best person, white or black, man or woman, wins

OmarSH

April 1, 2008 7:30 AM

“Omar, you and the other Muslims love Obama because finally you think you have someone who will help a billion + Muslims achieve their dream of destroying a tiny Jewish state of a little more than 5 million Israeli Jews. Obama will not be president and the Muslims will continue to be disappointed. The key to Mideast peace is in the attitudes of the Muslim world.”

No, you are wrong, I did not said anything about destroying and killing Israeli Jews, What I meant is we want a fairer and more balanced stance from the US regarding the conflict.

deb1

April 1, 2008 7:37 AM

Morning!

From a British Obama fan. Go and check his website.

barackobama.com

Check out his issues section
See that he’s funded by over a milion grassroots donors and not special interests.

Then comeback and make some informed comments….

Cheers

usini

April 1, 2008 7:55 AM

First it is quite funny reading these posts by semi-literate white men slanging off Alice Walker and insisting on their superiority.
However I also think that these comparisons with MLK and Nelson Mandela are unhelpful. While there are a few points of contact with King, Mandela is totally different. His history of going to prison for his beliefs, his writings there. His refusal to compromise even when offered early release and his incredible lack of bitterness make him something special. Incidentally if the person above who suggested a similarity with McCain does not know the difference between a bomber pilot being captured and imprisoned for a few years and Mandela’s history then honestly there is no hope.
In general false analogies from the past are not the best way to describe the present. We look through the distorting lens of our weltanschaun and claim to see resemblences in that of another person from another culture and another time, and with a different personal history. Yes I prefer Obama, but for what he is, not what he symbolises. He strikes me as being a typical middle of the road Democrat, something like a soft Conservative in European terms, and neither messiah or devil.

Guiteau

April 1, 2008 8:02 AM

The new racism posits that any discussion of race is racism.

Sitruuna

April 1, 2008 8:49 AM

Obama is a man with a good heart in place.

I can not understand why TexanRules and other bashers dont jus t listen to Obamas speeches. Obama is speaking true words about the root problems of America. If America acted with good intentions around world America would really be loved. Until now America has acted around the world in a way that has gathered distrust. China, Russia, America, all made of the same wood. But if America started acting good, like putting Israel act with responjsibility and justice with its land grabbing and killing, America would be respected and loved. That is not the case now.

newmother

April 1, 2008 9:19 AM

deanphillips;

PHEW!!! thanks for your post, i was getting really depressed. The US still is the No1 superpower, and that makes your president THE most influential person on Earth. It is therefore no surprise that other nationalities follow the race for the White House with almost as much interest as they do their own country’s elections. The policies that your administration introduces, its stance on both national and international issues, its impact on the world economy… America exerts a massive influence on every other country (as much as other countries might try to deny it!). To sit impotently by and watch the phenomenal global opportunity that is Barack Obama be wasted by ignorant hicks is frustrating beyond words. It’s good to hear that that the diatribes on this page are NOT representative of the views of the majority of Americans.

JamesBond1975

April 1, 2008 9:39 AM

i see so many red necks are commmenting. It is sad! i bet if Obama was “white” the comments will be different!

SocialKing

April 1, 2008 10:17 AM

Ms. Walker,

I am a major Obama supporter and Democrat, albeit a straight white male Deist and former Protestant. I know, my voice is increasingly irrelevant as we may soon be eradicated from the party, similar to what many Europeans and Arabs would likely endorse of the Jews, but not quite yet, so you will have to tolerate us WASP male Democrats a bit longer as we ride out a wave of fetishism and exoticism (I don’t mind that part of it actually, especially with the ladies, my demographic is becoming the “new black” at many L.A. clubs and lounges that I frequent.) I am a big fan by the way, of your literary work and most of your political views (and yes, that includes fair treatment for Palestinians, as that seems to be the only issue that is discussed on the Guardian boards), and find The Color Purple to be one of the great epistolary novels of all time. Yes, all time. I crap on the Modern Library and the list trend it started.

Your opinion piece brings back a lot of good memories: keggers, getting laid for the first time, and competitive sports. These things all happened 15+ years ago, when I was in late high school and early college, the first time I was exposed to progressive politics and philosophies in detail and an academic context. So thanks for the bit of nostalgia, but I think next time I’ll download a Lemonheads or Gang Starr track. America has problems, trust me I know, but you and some of the old guard of African-American leaders are way out of touch (like Pluto, man!), and the only way Obama will lose is if you keep writing things like this. #1: Your piece is out of date, and when you over-emphasize the race frame, inaccurate (especially a two-tone frame). Watch Austin Powers I please, a lot has changed since the 60s. #2: It hurts Obama politically. You scare the people in the middle of the road, and not just whites, but Latinos and Asians. Do you notice you don’t even mention them? They’re 20% of the country, and they vote for Obama in far lesser numbers than whites do in Dem primaries.

So why write this? Ego, boredom, I’m not sure. (That’s for both me and you both. You can’t tell from this, but I’m an aspiring writer as well. Matter of fact if you like this, maybe you could pass on something to your literary agent? I haven’t written much lately to be honest, too many distractions, major blockage. You have to wonder why I’m on a UK board at 2 in the morning on a Monday.)

Your experience and mine were very different. I had it a lot harder to start with. Joking, I joke sometimes, not very well, but I joke. But seriously, the experiences I mentioned 15 years ago all happened with a mixed race crowd, and not just blacks and whites. America can never fully atone for what it did to black people, you can’t undo a history like that. And not everyone will accept the people’s history in the first place. But we can create a new present and future, that’s all we’re trying to do here. So let Obama win, that’s all I’m asking.

And when’s your next novel coming out? I’m too cheap to buy it, but will read a library copy, or at least skim a copy and tell my friends I read it and it was fabulous. (But I really did read Color Purple and a few of your stories, and meant what I said about them.)

AngryMammal

April 1, 2008 10:24 AM

For an excellent article on why Obama is different read Jonathan Raban’s piece in the London Review of Books (available online – just google LRB).

I agree with Alice Walker about Obama, although I don’t share her general view of the world.

I’ve been really disappointed by The Guardian’s approach to reporting Obama’s progress (‘Hilary loses…'; ‘Hilary won’t give up’ etc) so much via Hilary, Hilary and more Hilary. I find it bizarre. Why is Hilary seen as having some right to rule? I’ve compared and contrasted the Independent and Guardian coverage of Obama and have now moved over to the Indy as my main paper. The Guardian’s tendency to talk about Obama and race in such negative terms has been quite an eyeopener. Sometimes you have to vote with your feet, speaking of which…

twennytree

April 1, 2008 10:56 AM

WoW! I didn’t expect such an onslaught of white racist defensive comments? I happened to be present at my first pre convention speak of any party in my 25 years of California living. I attended Obama’s talk in San Francisco last august, at the invitation of the Bay area’s business women. I was very moved and swept up by the experience. Yes it did have a feeling of great hope, coupled with the most lax security. Even though I have many reservations with regards to Obama’s centrist position. Humanists like myself with overt socialist tendencies, must oppose warmongering lunatics like McCain. I have been waiting for his bid for some time now. Anything but McCain, preferably Obama to the RICH Dominatrix of the Democratic party. I live in hope that peace shall one day reign on earth! LoveX23

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berettacx4 – – – 5:48 am:

“After I read this and stopped laughing, I asked myself ‘Who the hell is Alice Walker?’ Never heard of her…”

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Alice Walker is one US America’s internationally best known and wisest writers. It’s a bit unsettling to see her enthusing about a corporate war candidate for USS business-as-usual but her superior insight still shines through.

joop

April 1, 2008 11:27 AM

The USA is in trouble , thats for sure. In the past military might was enough to be a world leading nation.
Those days are over, Irak proves it.
So , the USA needs a leader who can bring the nation in a new “uplift”. Sen.McCain is branded as the new man “because he knows how to lead a nation in war”. What war ?? Where ?
It is still the old fashioned idea of the 20th century ,bad for the future of the USA. Forget that sort of “leaders”.
It is not for nothing that americans brand China as a main enemy. The new american leader must be able to cope with the economic developments in the future , he should not fight “old” wars.
USA , wake up. Stop dreaming of the past.
And it might well be that a young and bright person as Obama is be the right man for the moment.

Mockingbird2

April 1, 2008 11:32 AM

A very good article indeed, unfortunately the racist morons that still inhabit America have sullied these pages with their filth. Hey morons: I have some bad news for you, your racist, torture loving, rightwing media controlled, corporate owned, militarist, fascist admiring, culturally depraved land, is finished – you’re history morons, especially the morons from Texas. The dollar soon won’t be worth the paper it’s written on. You speak about the greatness of American military power and how Obama will reduce this, but you yourselves are gutless, politically and ethically spineless. America is now held in contempt throughout the world and you don’t care, you take pride in it even. You are political morons because you are ignorant of what the Republic used to stand for. The Founding Fathers racist though they were, at least created a Republic, (which had a Constitution) which had the potential to develop into a real Democracy, but it never did. But even this is gone, replaced by one of the ugliest empires to ever exist – what Bush has done in Iraq is equal to anything Hitler did in Poland. But morons, your days are numbered: you’re even too dumb to run an empire. And when your filthy empire is gone, there will be no beautiful Roman aqueducts: neither will you bequeath the world as the Brits did: the noble game of cricket, a game beyond your primitive understanding. There will be nothing left but a grubby chain of Burger Kings. And the world will say with one voice: “good riddance to bad rubbish”.

magicfan

April 1, 2008 11:32 AM

The comments here shows that there is still a great divide between whites and non whites. King’s dream is still a dream and nothing more.

woland50

April 1, 2008 11:35 AM

1. Once again it is telling that many of the criticisms here are ad hominems. Interesting isn’t it that so many find this a valid form of “criticism”.

2. It is also interesting that there is little discussion of what experience Clinton really has. As far as I can tell Clinton doesn’t have much more experience than Obama. It is also clear that Clinton is running on the coattails of her husband. Isn’t that interesting.

3. Clinton is a baby boomer and carries all the baggage of the baby boom generation. This, along with the fact that she is running on the coattails of her husband and is yet another example of the US’s political aristocracy, are reasons alone to vote against her. Isn’t it interesting that so much of her support appears to come from old baby boomers and crypto racists.

loudislingtongirl

April 1, 2008 11:39 AM

I find it of no surprise that Alice has drawn out the ever-present negativity and ignorance of people who have little, or no understanding of other people’s experiences of life. Wow, how the guns are out to get her on this subject, where she is clearly expressing a view of the world through the eyes of a black woman who, at the age she is, has obviously seen many a change as far as the rights of people of colour etc go. To say that she is racist is not only wrong, but also shows a lack of the possibility that you may just try and empathise for one second with what many people have experienced throughout the ages – what, because you haven’t been effected, does that then mean you are unable to open your eyes and your ears to something different? She is clearly expressing a positive vision of the future for the US if Barak Obama where to achieve the status of ‘President of the United States’ – and I think it is clear to most that a performing monkey would do a better job than the present ‘joke’ of a president! And to those who feel that Condaleeza Rice would have been a more appropriate person for Alice to support – I think it is worth mentioning that although her credentials are pretty spectacular, you have to question the sanity of a woman of colour standing alongside one of the worst leaders in world history, smiling and pandering to his disastrous decisions championing his causes, and still remaining able to sleep at night!!! this is not someone to look up to as far as i’m concerned, whatever her race or sex. Obama makes alot of people uncomfortable, because many like to stick to what they know! I still believe that McCain will win the election because lets face it – people love an old war veteran – there’s nothing better to get the old patriotic juices flying. And just a comment to Texan’s Rule (who I see has had their comment deleted) – not everyone hates the US, but most people I know are certainly not jealous of the US. You have a severe lack of understanding about the role your Country as far as the rest of the world is concerned – there is a world outside of your country and you’d do well to use your passport to go and see it – I forgot, you probably don’t have one!!!!!!

straightbat

April 1, 2008 12:06 PM

If the United States ever needed an injection of morality, it is now. The atrocities the US has been involved in during the Bush adminstration has wrecked the United States’ reputation … from Americans torturing suspects in Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib jail to the CIA waterboarding terro suspects and the holding without trial of so many without trial in Guantanomo Bay. Barack Obama may well become the United States’ Nelson Mandela, but he will find the going tough if he is elected president. As far as I know, not one member of the US Congress has a son fighting in Iraq. And the talk is of the 4,000 US troops who have been killed so far. What about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. The US has always been an insular country and is not alone in terms of self-interest. But the US prides itself on being the world’s leader and is expected to live up to high standards. I would love to see Obama win the primaries and then beat the 100-year-Iraq-war John McCain to the presidency. What can one say of Hillary Clinton … just another liar who has been caught telling pathetic untruths. Of the three, Obama is the only contender with class and a sense of justice.

Falzman

April 1, 2008 12:22 PM

I was trying to figure out how being elected to the US Senate was anything like being imprisoned on Robben Island, but then I thought: “Hey, it’s April Fool.”
Clever, very clever.

Jeshurun

April 1, 2008 12:26 PM

I perfectly agree with Alice on this article. Obama represents the best hope that America has in redeeming its very battered image and its economic downturn. He is a very intelligent and thoughtful leader. Surely he would be a breath of fresh air after the George Bush years. I do not hold anything against Hillary but there is nothing spectacular about her other than the fierce and unbridled ambition that has characterised the Clintons over the years. Those that oppose Barack do not have anything concrete against him other than his skin colour. I know several republicans that genuinely hope that Obama would pick the nomination so they can vote for him in the general elections. As far as we are concerned, the democratic party nomination is certainly a foregone conclusion, Obama will win and there is nothing Hillary or anyone else can do about it.

Rialbynot

April 1, 2008 12:32 PM

This is a woman who demands our respect. She has always seemed a bearer of wisdom. I think she’s got it right about Barak Obama.

Mikhailovich

April 1, 2008 12:33 PM

As I have commented elsewhere, Obama is too good for America.

chocolato

April 1, 2008 12:39 PM

These Troglodytes and knuckle scrappers from the Drudge Report crack me up… Here are a few facts for you dim wits to chew on.
1. Alice Walker is the author of a book called the Color Purple. This book describes in graphic detail the brutality of a BLACK MAN towards the BLACK WOMEN around him… so much so that a lot black intellectuals deemed the book to be an ANTI BLACK MALE diatribe. So she can hardly be the RACIST you twits claim… can she?
2. This book has also been made into film by Steven Spielberg (ever heard of him?) starring Oprah Winfrey (ever heard of her??) and Danny Glover (how about him?). Yet some of you have never heard of it … and appear proud of the fact. Out of curiousity..What is it that you guys read exactly?
3. On Israel… There are lots and lots of people, including a fair few number of Israelis who have Israel’s best interests at heart who, nevertheless, recognise that its very existence is imperiled by its current policy towards the Palestinians. The Likud vision is not the only JEWISH vision on Israel – not by a long chalk.
4. Obama is the best candidate running in your elections Why? Try these reasons for size… a) He is the only one with the intelligence to call time on a stupid and inept policy towards Cuba that has failed for the best part of 50 years.. a policy that has achieved the very opposite of its stated aim but which your lily-livered politicians are too scared to change for fear of upsetting a bunch goons in Miami. But hey! why not carry on with the stupid willy waving that passes for Foreign policy? b) He appears to be the only candidate who understands that capitalism needs rules and stringent regulations or else you’ll end up with a mess like the Sub Prime mire you find yourselves in right now.. AGAIN AND AGAIN
(c) He had the wisdom and courage to say that the war in Iraq was stupid, moronic, unjustifiable and would turn out to be costly in the extreme… 4000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands of maimed young men and women; and a Trillion dollars later… Boy! was he ever RIGHT??!!
Finally.. If you don’t listen to him and get past your infantile obsession with race that blights your fine country… it’s not just your jobs that will end up overseas… it’s your influnce too. Unless you can educate ALL of your Children to to the level that the Europeans and Japanese take for granted you’ll not only lose jobs, you’ll lose the ability to even compete! Right now, the Arabs, that you fear so much, are buying up chunks of your best banks, best Real Estate, best manufacturing… infact they are the ones keeping your economy afloat because you insist on living beyond your means. Obama understands that there’s nothing morally superior about low taxes any more than there’s anything inherently praise-worthy about high taxes… You need the RIGHT LEVEL OF TAXATION… and a so-called first world nation that can’t even guarantee the health care of it’s citizens cannot begin to claim to have the RIGHT LEVEL OF TAXATION.
My own view for what it’s worth is an outsider.. is that Obama is waaaaaaaay too good for America

GuardianGoon

April 1, 2008 12:51 PM

It’s nice to see someone say they like Obama because he’s a good candidate with strong policies that they identify with rather than place him in the white-guilt narrative that seems to have been commonplace among Guardian commentators re his campaign. His vision for America and his ability to get it done is what’s drawn me to him as a candidate rather than any ‘starry eyed idealism’ as one poster on hillaryis44 said. A group of people who support Obama as the realisation of some romantic notion of politics may exist but it is by no means the majority of his supporters any more than Clinton’s support can be said to be only old feminist ‘womyn’ with daddy issues or McCain’s the ‘hoo-ra’ brigade. Unfortunately the lunatic fringe of any candidates supporters always shouts the loudest and so tend to become seen as the majority by those who support the other candidate, this does us all injustice.

Cunctator

April 1, 2008 12:57 PM

So many adverse comments. Some of ‘em a bit nasty, even racist I fear. But nobody’s denying the Man has CHARISMA.
The only one with even more is… guess it …our very own Gordon Brown.

sheherezad

April 1, 2008 12:58 PM

The comments in response to this article have truly shocked me. I thought what AW wrote was honest and brilliant. I’m not even American and it spoke to me! Some people obviously just don’t get what Alice is trying to say, and that’s a shame.

chocolato

April 1, 2008 1:00 PM

Even funnier still is this idea that if Obama were a white man he’d have been out of the race for President by now… Really?? Let’s examine this claim… A white guy with Obama’s eloquence?; A white guy with Obama’s intelligence?; A white guy with Obama’s grace under pressure who was able to craft and deliver a speech like obama did on race?? A white guy with his charm? … such a white guy running against a woman weighed down with Hilary Clinton’s negatives and McCain’s wooden-ness??? You actually believe that such a white guy will be out of the race by now??… I reckon that the Steroids they put in American beef must mess up some of your brains. Jeez… it’s all one can do to get some white Americans to accept that Elvis is really dead!! A white Obama will waltz to the Presidency. EAAAAAAAAAASY. he’ll be JFK, Elvis and Larry bird rolled into one!

Whatdoisaytothekids

April 1, 2008 1:02 PM

I hesitate to use the word brave to describe a piece of writing given the daily struggle of many people on the planet for simple survival. But it must take real courage Alice to raise the issues you have discussed knowing the attack dogs are waiting to vent their spleen.

Peace to you sister – keep drawing on that wonderful inner strength.

sheherezad

April 1, 2008 1:11 PM

To all those saying Alice Walker is living in a fantasy world by saying America is in ruins – you must be Americans living in America. Step outside of your bubble. The whole world is laughing at the mess that’s become of your country. I challenge you to prove that Barack Obama would be a worse president that George W Bush.

sheherezad

April 1, 2008 1:26 PM

Aha, since we’re on the topic of people killing their own people, I don’t see any African nations in list of countries with the top 10 murder rate, but I do see the US at number 6. Add to that the US’s number 3 position on the list of countries by number of execution, plus the thousands of poor and young Americans(all races) that are packed off by your stupid politicians to die for their lies… what did I hear about a mess of a nation where people are killing each other…???

The comments on this article make me wonder two things 1) Barack Obama is too good a candidate for the Americans 2) Democracy as a system is too good for the Americans. It wouldn’t matter so much if your democratic choices affected only you, the problem is they affect the rest of the world. Proof of the pie is GW Bush being voted into office. TWICE!!

Mullaney

April 1, 2008 1:29 PM

Wow. Good to see the U.S. hasn’t changed. Don’t bother with the issues at hand- boil it down to race and begin insulting each other. If the rest of the world has wondered what it’s like to discuss the issues in America this thread is a perfect example of how it works (or doesn’t work).

UKhostagetowhom

April 1, 2008 1:31 PM

Alice Walker, one of the great FICTION writers of our time

TheCondor

April 1, 2008 1:41 PM

The fact is that, in her own name, Hillary Rodham couldn’t have gotten anywhere. She finished at the bottom of her law school class, failed the DC bar exam, and only by following Bill to Arkansas was she able to get a job, pass the Arkansas bar exam that 85% of the takers passed, and — because of Bill — begin to get notice.
She is a liar and as her Bosnial sniper tale shows, not a very smart one.
She has betrayed the principles of her party to gain support from ultra-right wingers like Richard Mellon Scaife. Does anyone actually believe that such support comes free?
With such a track record, where would anyone but the wife of a former president be? Did you say “long gone and forgotten”?

By contrast, Barack Obama, given his race, his name, and his family, would never have been noticed except for his very unusual intelligence — not only of the mind but of the heart.
He showed us a new kind of politician when he went to Southern Illinois with the same openness, the same message, the same vision that he presented to South Chicago. Here was a man who was trustworthy, real.He was a man who could unite people. He is indeed right for America, but those who gave us the B-C regime and have been giving us too much like that for all too long, will not back down easily.The disgust most feel toward Bush and the Republicans make that party a poor bet now. Thus Scaife, Murdock, et al., will now be pushing their agenda with the Democrats and Clinton.

Hillary Clinton says many things, some true and good. But considering the nature of her obligations, how can any true Democrat believe and support her? The only reasons I hear are gender and (shhhh!) the R-word.

deb1

April 1, 2008 1:43 PM

I’m genuinely surprised by the tone of a lot of the responses here.

I’ve been following the Democratic primary closely – both the Clinton and Obama campaigns. I’m a British Obama supporter and have been trying to do my bit re ‘clicking’ and blogging in the campaign.

The blogging involves trying to educate and inform posters across the states in newspapers because there is a misconception out there – pushed by the right wing media and the Clintons that he is a ‘muslim’, therefore ‘terrorist’ sympathiser and now through a few dumb comments by Rev Wright which were actually a quote from an ex mid east ambassador Edward Peck, the slur is that he’s a black supremisist. But that’s probably too much rational information for most people on here…

As for financing Obama, over 90% of the funding – nearly $200million so far has come from the grassroots over the internet. He has not take any lobbyist or PAC money. When people point out that he has taken X thousands from big corporations, this is bunched money by individual employees. However anyone is free to reasearch this the information is freely available.

The reason I’m surprised is that maybe I should have ben blogging on the Guardian – who’d have thought it?

For me, and the majority of his supporters we couldn’t care less what color he is. But it’s understandable that it has been, and is becoming less so, an issue for americans. Alice Walker’s perspective is also understandable but that’s just one facet of what is an incredible campaign and opportunity for America and for international relations.

The Guardian has obviously not been educating it’s readership. Maybe the paper should start publishing his take on the issues and how he would address them. Anyone can visit:

http://www.barackobama.com

…and find out for themselves. Maybe that’s too much to ask of the intellectual Guardian bloggeratti…

Sometimes you need to look outside your own backgarden for real change and hope to learn something.

deepblue

April 1, 2008 1:48 PM

I can’t believe the racist comments on this thread.

An internationally recognised woman writer makes an appeal to our humanity and so many above are proud to declare their lack of it.

I suppose these are the same people who denounce the Rev. Wright’s apparent racism.

Tell me something, why is it ok for you to be racist but not ok for black people to criticise white behaviour and attitudes?

Jovan

April 1, 2008 2:03 PM

Many times we look at ourselves and want to be ideal citizens, however our actions have always failed us.
The writer mentions truth in the fact that minorities have always been marginalized in the US, she may be a little harsh towards Clinton. But in my view she is actually describing the a group of Americans who judge persons not by the content of their character, but by the color of the skin. Considering the gains Obama has made from when he launched his campaign, it is evident that there are some who listen to the 2 great Democratic candidates and see that he is a leader worth giving a chance.
In my view, we should not stereotype individuals, but listen to them with open minds and then make decisions. I believe if this was the case, the Democratic party would already have a candidate.

Ebert

April 1, 2008 2:06 PM

deb1: ‘As for financing Obama, over 90% of the funding – nearly $200million so far has come from the grassroots over the internet. He has not take any lobbyist or PAC money. When people point out that he has taken X thousands from big corporations, this is bunched money by individual employees.’

I think that needs expnading on a bit and to ask questions about what precisely it is that encourages ‘individual employees’ of oil companies to make donations to politicians:

‘Obama doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take money from lobbyists.

‘But he does accept money from executives and other employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000 from oil and gas industry employees and their families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000, according to the center’s totals.

‘Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co.
In January and February alone, Obama received nearly $18,000 from Exxon Mobil workers, according to Federal Election Commission records. Most of the donations were of $250 or less; the money came from workers ranging from executives to engineers to geologists to shift supervisors. Overall, he has raised about $34,000 from Exxon Mobil workers since the beginning of his campaign. Exxon Mobil employees have given Clinton about $16,000 since the beginning of last year.’

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gUW0ApBGkGgu5CfdiXsMTzGe8jDAD8VOIBCO0

This is interesting too:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obamas_oil_spill.html

KelvinYearwood

April 1, 2008 2:06 PM

While having a great deal of respect for Alice Walker, we simply have to move on from the theory of enlightened individuals transforming oppressive political structures.

The much praised president Clinton attacked the US poor, armed the Kurd-massacring Turks, bombed a life-giving pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, increased the national security budget and arms to Israel… On the subject of colour, Bush snr appointed an Arfican-American as a supreme court judge, but African-American males are almost 6 times as likely to be incarcerated as whites…

The American people have to understand that the president is the figurehead of an aggressive imperial economic system – with the most aggressive, economically and socially divisive consequences domestically – driven by the interests of the US-based corporate capital elite.

The American people, like us Europeans, need to break the mould and establish democracy.

halgeel84

April 1, 2008 2:43 PM

Mikhailovich
April 1, 2008 12:33 PM
“As I have commented elsewhere, Obama is too good for America.”

Mikhailovich

I share your views to a point. It is true that the USA population seem to be afraid of new things. Fear of communism cost them developing a universal healhcare; the US cities are among the most unsafe in the developed world, roads and bridges are now crumbling, the war in Iraq is eating away the over 10 billion dollars a month, the housing market and the rest of economy is in free fall downward turn; the dollar is in a steep decline; the George W. Bush is the worse leader in the USA’s entire history. And, then, suddenly, out of nowhere the unexpected happened! Barack Obama, a son of a white radical woman and a black African man from the 1960s generation appears on the political scene!

He has all the necessary qualities of a great president, skills, intelligence, courage, determination and the will to unite his country’s fractured politics, restore the US prestige in the world stage. What is the media in the US has done so far: attack him, well not always but almost always, the media in the US has been trying to diminish Barack Obama’s greatness. But, to their defense, many in the democratic party, and outside the party, are backing him over Hillary Clinton. So, this might be a turning point in American political culture.

The media has often focused on vicious right wing attacks of Barack Obama- he had to fight rumors that he is a ‘closeted Muslim’ because that fact his father is a black man from Kenya. Hillary’s boomer surrogates, most of whom are his mother’s generation [Obama, mother, Staley Ann Dunham was born in 1942 and died of Ovarian cancer in 1995, Hillary was born in 1947, so she is only 5 years younger than Barack's mother].

However, unlike Hillary, Barack Obama’s adventurous, idealist mother, Stanly Ann Dunham, lived the true ideals of the 1960s generation. So, it is fair looking at this primaries is as a struggle between the progressive left and the reactionary right but also as a struggle between the worse aspects of the 1960w left and those representing its hopeful potential to bring about social, economic and political transformation in a massive scale. Barack Obama represents[via his mother] the progressive hopes of the left while Hillary, a war mongering woman who voted for the Iraq war, represents the worse aspects of the boomers generation.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633/page/7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

wooden

April 1, 2008 2:43 PM

Why dnt the Americans take a little time to think about their impacty on the world. Obama does not seem to think that everything america thinks it is true or nescessarilly good. He is the only candidate with a batts chance in hell of increasing American influence by reducing Amarican posturing.

Americans are only concerned with someone ready to answere the phone at 4am and make split second decisions. The rest of the world wants a US President who will use dipomacy in advance to avid the 4 am call.

Stumpysheep

April 1, 2008 2:47 PM

Dear Drudge Report readers,

I appreciate that you’re well out of your depth here, but at least try using a spell-checker (UK English to be polite, after all we did invent the language) and please try and refrain from using unnecessary language. After that you might want to work on formulating intelligent arguments.

Your poor country clearly has many problems. Have you considered regime change?

Alice – the Mandela comparison is over the top and you could’ve done more to substantiate your support for Obama with examples of the policies he’s helped push through. Otherwise I’m in complete agreement with you.

The amount of racist comments here sickens me, but sadly reminds me of my time in the US. This bunch of neanderthals make Mugabe sound tolerant.

Chuckman

April 1, 2008 3:08 PM

Let me say first that I regard Obama as the most talented and appealing American national politician to come along in decades.

He has a sense of grace that only emphasizes the basically sleazy nature of that other recent intellectually bright politician, Bill Clinton.

But dramatic change to America is not possible.

Its rigid Constitution with many anti-democratic provisions, its intense Civic Religion Cult, the illiberal nature of much of its press and public education, and the absolute rule of money in politics – these and other factors make the United States a mighty slow ship to turn.

What’s more important is the relatively weak nature of the office of the president. Many foreign observers think of the office as the most powerful in the world, but that is only true in war.

In domestic affairs, the office of president is actually quite a weak one. Even in aspects of foreign affairs, it is the Senate that has real power, and just look at the crinkled, fat, jaded faces that make up that body.

Obama’s own party is barely progressive anymore. Its small majority includes horrific figures who are Republican in all but name.

I believe Obama will get the nomination and will win the election, but that will only be because Americans are sick with seven years of stupidity and blood. Once Obama is sworn in, his ability to do anything of real consequence will be tremendously limited.

He faces, moreover, a set of disasters left behind by Bush. The room to do anything dramatic will be almost non-existent.

One hesitates to even state the following dark thought, too, but America has a history not unlike Italy of the early modern era with the Borgias and other nasty clans. The last determined, progressive politician who moved people greatly in America died in the street, and a few years later his brother died the same way.

GuardianGoon

April 1, 2008 3:08 PM

Since people have been prattling on about Obama supporters having no concrete reason to like him bar himself I thought I’d give some reasons why I support him. Note this isn’t comprehensive and is more concerned about why I support him over Hilary, trying to get into a debate of him over McCain invokes the whole left/centerist/right discussion which would require a much longer discussion than the 30 min posting limit and 5000 char word length avaliable here

- He has always stood against the Iraq war, Clinton didn’t

- He is a strong supporter of net neutrality

- As someone with a background in constitutional law I believed he is the best candidate to reign in the abuse of executive power and trampling of US citizens’ rights that has occured under Bush, given the naked ambition for power of Clinton’s campaign I don’t trust her to do this

- He has a better chance of winning than Clinton does

You might think this is a short list, I agree he shares many positions with Clinton, but on those positions, pro-choice, for UHC, troop withdrawal, anti-torture, better regard for the American middle and lower classes and so on I think Obama’s arguments in support of them are more nuanced, he has a better machine and better funding, and he isn’t such a poisoned candidate as Hilary is, there’s little to stick on him, the Wright controversy is only a big story in the minds of his opponents wheras there seems to be a lot of inconsistency and outright lying coming from Clinton’s campaign.

Obama is a fantastic orator, he’s got a great support network, a lot more money and so I believe he is better placed than Clinton to beat McCain and implement the policies I would like to see in a US government. I do think their policy platforms are very similar, but where differences occur I favour Obama’s angle to Clintons.

ianochaye

April 1, 2008 3:09 PM

Personally I enjoyed reading Alice Walker’s comment – although I am an ardent Obama supporter

There are also several thoughtful comments addressing both sides of the debate (in terms both of candidates and parties)but what saddens me is the inability of such a large number of contributors to comment without being (a) downright rude and/or (b) offensive – or indeed being so offensive that their comments have had to be deleted in part or in whole.

Is this really representative of the quality of debate in US politics today?

If it is then things are even worse than I know them to be already.

Whatever it may think the world needs a strong USA as a force for justice and fairness. As of today the US ability to carry out this role is severely compromised by (among other things) the damage to its credibility following its conduct over recent years (and that applies to other countries too).

The election of Barack Obama – if he is able/allowed to deliver on his agenda – can do much to restore that credibility, and – even ignoring for now all the other areas where his agenda would bring benefits to the US internally – that alone is one good strong reason for hoping for his candidacy to succeed

Yes there are debates to be had around deliverability. Yes let’s have these debates – but, please, lets have them at an intelligent, mutually respectful level, instead of the kind of comment posted in some places here, which simply damages your country and its image even further.

fromothers

April 1, 2008 3:15 PM

Dear Ms Walker
First may I say that I admire your work. I am also an African American female. At first I did not care for Barack Obama. I did not think that he could or would be a good candidate for the presidency. But I opened my mind and realized that the change he is advocating is needed.

Your article was right on. And of course some of white America does not understand or wants to understand. That is why they were so upset with Rev Wrights comments. It also is the top of arrogance to believe that a nation that has been held down and is still being held down is happy about it and has no anger. It always amazes me when some white Americans tells minorities to get over it??? That is very easy to say when the discrimination is not happening to you.

I am from a small town in Michigan that is predominately White. I went to school where there were only 8 African Americans to 200 whites. I made white friends and have white friends but I realize that they could and never will understand the positions that I have taken. My parents had to have a white man buy the house that I grew up in and sell it to them because they would not sell to African Americans. I am old enough to remember colored only bathrooms and to have seen my fathers manhood questioned by bigoted police officers.

I am voting for Barack Obama because he is a leader not because he is African American. By the way he is just as much white as he is African American. And he does not share the common thread most African Americans have which is slavery in our family heritage.

The point I am making is that this is America. Veterans of all colors like my husband and Rev Wright fight daily so that we can have these exchanges. Maybe it is time that we embrace our differences because in doing that we will eventually learn to appreciate more fully the diversity of this great country of ours.

deb123

April 1, 2008 3:26 PM

Thank you for a thoughtful post. Although I am not a woman of color, I wonder if our years also bring us to support Sen. Obama. Today, in the winter of my life, Sen. Obama brings me hope. His background, heritage and experience speak to the young, not only in the U.S. but in the world. By energizing the young, he has brought hope to the old — hope that our country can get back on track and help lead a troubled world. He has exhibited an ability and desire to move a stagnant mindset toward something positive and decent. Our domestic problems have been covered over by waging war and posturing. Fear has come to rule us. Sen. Obama’s world view and practical steps for turning our lives in a more positive direction are qualities our leaders have lacked. I am grateful this man has stepped up to take on this daunting task. It will not be easy.

letuckerchicago

April 1, 2008 3:35 PM

Thanks for the honest article, Alice. Obama represents the hope that America will finally actually cross that bridge to the 21st century that Bill Clinton talked about years ago. We can finally leave our retrograde posture and approach the future with intelligence and empathy. I am somewhat disheartened by some of the posts to this article. Some people seem to think that we should select a resume rather than a leader. For my part, I appreciate the fact that Obama is clearly highly intelligent, has an open mind willing to listen to many different points of view, and has the judgment to make up his own mind. I further like the fact that he is a relatively young man with young children who clearly has a stake in a more peaceful and prosperous world. I love the fact that although he has had a privileged and elite education, he has not had a privileged and elite life and has not opted for material privileges as a first option. Because he is not a politician of long years’ tenure, he doesn’t “owe” as many people – he doesn’t have a cadre of “fat cats” threatening Democratic officials – and because his campaign is substantially supported “bottom up” rather than “top down”, his broad base of support is less tainted by people trying to purchase access and power.

As for Hillary Clinton, I agree wholeheartedly with Walker. Many people have conveniently forgotten that Black people were ardent supporters of the Clintons throughout Bill’s administration (remember that that is why Rev. Wright visited the White House!) and were intitially favorably inclined towards Hillary, a brilliantly talented woman, even as they preferred the freshness of Obama. Unfortunately, Clinton chose to vaporize that enormous reservoir of goodwill with Black voters and in particular with Black women voters. The race-baiting, deceitfulness and dishonesty feels like a slap in the face. Clinton had the opoprtunity to be a truly transformational candidate, but did not have the faith to do so and has relied on old, tired and divisive campaign tactics to further her campaign. Should Clinton somehow become the nominee, it will for voters be yet another situation where we will hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils.

halgeel84

April 1, 2008 3:39 PM

Perhaps, critics of Obama many of who prefer Hillary and Bill Clinton who prefer McCain to Obama might want to read this Mother Jones piece and the video link there in. He promises 100 years of war with Iraq and nuking of Iran. He seems to have problem with facts so sent; Libierman’s is now acting as a MCCain’s version of Karl Rove politics! It is creeply!

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2008/01/6735_mccain_in_nh_wo.html

Yanpol

April 1, 2008 3:40 PM

Reality 101

“Obama is not America’s Nelson Mandela, he is America’s Vladamir Lenin, and his destructive socialist agenda would wreck the USA economy”

Jesus dude, I’d like the same pill you’re taking! You do live in a parallel reality (101). Obama = Lenin? A guy with a socialist agenda? Have you got any clue about what you’re saying?

And sorry, the US is already wrecked, thanks to George Bush, senior and junior…

telemachos

April 1, 2008 3:51 PM

I wish that I could find more hope in Obama than I do. On the one hand, whatever else is the case, I do think that it is significant that he is able (and willing) to speak as he does. British readers may not be fully aware of how remarkable it is to hear an American politician speaking in nunaced paragraphs rather than in grunting sound bites (as in, “Heckuva job, Brownie”, “Bring ‘em on!” or, more recently and from another source, “So?”). All of that said, I fear that for me there are only two reasons to vote for Obama — Clinton and McCain. Certainly none of the effusive, abstract, unevidenced proclamtions of Alice Walker give me more reason for confidence than I had before I read her piece. But we have the choices we have, so on April 22 I will vote for Obama, and hope to be able to do so again in November.

aliscia08

April 1, 2008 4:07 PM

first, i seen every comment that was made towards Barack Obama, you guys say this because your uneducated and you really don’t know what your talking about, you either a woman who wants to see a woman in the office, your either a older american who don’t want change, your either a black person who voting for hillary only because you want to be white just like she is. see i am tired of the old politics and the old ways of america, i am a young adult whos wants change in this country, i don’t want the same old people back in the office again, come on, what kind of change is that, none in my eyes. see BARACK OBAMA,stands for change and he can bring this country together and has the experinces to back it up, OBAMA been in the political eye ever since 1992, so who ever said he has been in it for two years is wrong(go do your homework,baby) another thing is, he has passed over 800 bills that important(gun control, education,healthcare,etc, things that matter) some that even has his name on it, he also cares about children, wanting to make sure they recieve the right education, all HILLARY Is worried about is the older americans, she is not concerned about childrens issues at all, he is a down to earth person, she is not, she is more concerned about the suits she wears, then the younger generation, just because you are a wife in the WHITE HOUSE dosen’t make you qualified, half you that are saying this things, are blind, she is an exaggerater, very dishonest, and is nasty person, for those that support that kind of mess,you just as bad as she is, i am not trying to put her down, but she doesn’t have a good track record, she doesn’t even have any experince what so ever,she passed 20 bills in her time as being a senator, all in which was minor things, like honoring people or giveing awards to athletic leagues, i don’t want a president who don’t have good track record over me, i am going to ask you guys(clinton supporters) a question, say that your child came home after a game they played,and they lost, they were upset and felt like they should have won,are you a going to tell them the best thing to do to win is to beat up on your opponent, use a stick to hit them in the knee cap to win,that is the strategy that she is using, i am turned off with hillary, her time in oval office is over and it is now Obama, he is the change for the 21st century, so stop hatin’

GeoffreyP

April 1, 2008 4:12 PM

Great article.

Time too for fools to think instead of regurgitating worn out thoughts and sarcasms.

How about this?

“The world is grown so bad, that wrens make prey where eagles dare not perch”.

goldengate

April 1, 2008 4:16 PM

One would wish that Alice Walker’s of this world, after returning from Mexico after all these years would just not indluge this comparison of an African Politician and an American because they both happen to be black men. Mandela owes his responsibilities to South Africa and end of apartheid in that country.

Some of these white conservative that compare Mandela to the likes of McCain are not only way of line but rather hypocrites of the first order. McCain, has a very dubious record in Vietnam. His is an admiral’s son and received preferential treatment all along. He was nothing but a gun ho pilot that is responsible for destruction of two fighters planes. After he was shot down on account of his own mistakes, he was literally saved from drowning by a Vietnamese peasant farmer, whom for 3 decades did not even acknowledge or thanked him and his Senate office dismissed as some crack pot, till a reporter produced evidence etc. McCain has no other heroic military record other then spending the hideous unnecessary war as a POW.

Obama for all intends and purposes has more primary votes then all the republican candidates put together. The Republicans in this country are less then a 1/3 majority. Even Hillary has more votes then all the republicans put together. But this country virtue of this rotten to the core two party system, leaves much to be desired and republicans are not in form or way entitled to half or more then half representation in the political process or representation in this country.

There is absolutely nothing wrong to elect a woman President, but Hillary with his own brand of arrogance, lies, being a self interest, self righteous politician, presenting her own non existing experience, introducing race, religion and implying that the Presidency is an entitlement, is far from fit to hold the office.

BROTHER REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT JR.’S LETTER TIME MAGAZINE FOR THEIR WHITE FALSEHOOD.FROM TIME.COM

March 31, 2008

from thepage.time.com

| Monday, March 31, 2008Return to The PageText of Letter from Wright to the New York TimesMarch 11, 2007
Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
New York,
New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the
truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me
for two hours. You told me you were doing a “Spiritual Biography” of
Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he
was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two
hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you
how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public
service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for
President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other
whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We
talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam
to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn’t I think it
would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only
knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own
family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who not only
knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to 9/11/01 in the
Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have a man who knew
what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were different branches
of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between Hasidic Jews, Orthodox
Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a man who was a devout
Christian, but who did not prejudge others because they believed
something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not
just “in word only.” I talked about Barack being a person who lived his
faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a person
who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other people to
hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack’s spiritual journey
and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed him, that I
had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even though I would
love to take that credit, you did not print any of that. When I told
you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew Bible as to
how God asked Moses, “What is that in your hand?,” that Barack was like
that when I met him. Barack had it “in his hand.” Barack had in his
grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is
hard put to find in the 21st century, and you did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of
conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack’s
taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it
unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his
candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor
proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed “sound
byte” and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting me
to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before,
and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve
of it and
will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the reputation, the
integrity or the character of perhaps this nation’s first (and maybe even
only) honest candidate offering himself for public service as the person to
occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me
doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are
going to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama’s
“Spiritual Biography.” Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane Fisler
Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that Hannity of
“Hannity and Colmes” is trying to trash, set the record straight for you
in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the church to which
Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has offered
to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity Church is
even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me up to
interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator; and yet
The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what it wants
to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article that Barack
had apologized for listening to that bad information and bad advice. Did
I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way, you do not have to
worry about hearing anything else from me for you to edit or “spin”
because you are more interested in journalism than in truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York
Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have
gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the
Republican Party’s national “blog.” The New York Times played a role in
the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New
York Times had actually repented
and was going to exhibit a different kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana. Maybe it was
my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but whatever
it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is no repentance on the part
of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to The Times.
You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me straight in my
face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,
Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ

RACISM BEHIND ATTACK OF OBAMA’S CORRECT PASTOR:THE BLACK TRUTH OF amerikkkan CONDITION OF BLACKS! THIS WHITE MAN IS STARTING TO GET IT FROM HUFFINGTONPOST.COM

March 29, 2008

from huffingtonpost.com

David Sirota Site
David Sirota

Is Wright Right About Racism?
Posted March 28, 2008 | 01:52 PM (EST)

Is Jeremiah Wright right about racism? There, I asked the question – a question that should be at the center of the “controversy” surrounding Barack Obama’s former pastor, but which has been completely ignored. Somewhere deep down, I am guessing Wright feels some shred of vindication, because the entire “controversy” surrounding him now answers that question resoundingly. As I discuss in my newspaper column out today, Wright has become the latest target of the media lynch mob – and in becoming that target, he has proven his very assertions about the persistence of racism in our culture.

There are some things Wright has said that I strongly disagree with, and I certainly may disagree with more of his statements that come to light in the future. However, as the column shows, the specific statements at the center of the Wright “controversy” today are rooted in undeniable fact. Yes, there is a black community in America – and acknowledging that does not make one a “black separatist.” Yes, terrorist attacks are often the product of what our own government calls “blowback” – even if that “blowback” is undeserved, criminal and immoral. And yes, bigotry is still a powerful force in American culture – and our society would do well to understand that bigotry makes African-Americans unhappy. As archconservative Mike Huckabee (R) said, “I grew up in a very segregated South and I think that you have to cut some slack…we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names.”

But the intolerance the media lynch mob has shown toward Wright – and the tolerance the same media has shown toward the real extremists around John McCain and Hillary Clinton – is a telling double standard proving Wright’s fundamental thesis correct. While Wright has dominated the news, anti-Catholic pastor John Hagee and anti-Semitic Reverend Billy Graham have received scant attention for their close relationships with McCain and Clinton, respectively. The Serious Media have followed modern day Bull Connors like Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan and Charles Krauthammer into the ugliest gutter – the gutter of racial politics. And these three racist lynch mob leaders will undoubtedly retain their perches on cable networks and on the op-ed pages of Serious Newspapers. They will continue championing what one expert calls “colorblind racism” – the kind of racism that hides itself in platitudes against racism and extremism itself.

Clinton, of course, has fueled the fire. Just this week, she granted an interview to the fringe right-wing Pittsburgh Tribune Review – the tiny newspaper owned by the same Richard Mellon Scaife who financed Republicans’ anti-Clinton infrastructure in the 1990s. Clinton used the interview to specifically stoke the Wright “controversy” ahead of Pennsylvania’s primary. Her much-vaunted political “firewall” that she says will stop Obama has very clearly become a “race wall” (more on this in a new In These Times article set for release on Monday).

This was a very difficult column to write. It took a long time to craft, because racial and foreign policy taboos (especially those that question American exceptionalism) are such sensitive topics – and I’ve gotten some hate email already this morning. But I’m glad I wrote this. With so much of the well-heeled, white Establishment simultaneously preening around like they oppose racism while pushing this story in a fundamentally racist way, I felt it was important to make the basic point that started out this post. And that is, again: This whole “controversy” has confirmed Wright’s fundamental assertion that our culture is still deeply afflicted by bigotry. If the media is a mirror reflecting what we as a society consider acceptable and unacceptable, then that mirror is right now telling us just how powerful racism still is in American life.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 03/29/2008
Kim445588 See Profile I’m a Fan of Kim445588
This is a very interesting article, and though I wish more like it would have come out to combat the “pressthink” that fired this debacle, I am still pleased to read some thoughtful commentary.

I guess we are dealing with two issues here. First, why in the name of God are MSN & CNN following the lead of Faux News, without checking out the story! They continue to propagate the bastardized version of this story to lesser news outlets, and unsuspecting viewers who are naive enough to have missed the death and funeral of journalistic integrity. (Present company excluded of course) :-)

In any event, though most of the comments were taken out of context, and some of them were inappropriate, there was a helluva lot of painful truth mixed in there.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 03/29/2008
Griff66 See Profile I’m a Fan of Griff66
David Sorota,

Probably one of the MORE insightful pieces on this whole dibacle called the “Wright Controversy”

You are soooooooooo spot on its ridiculous.. and for anyone to NOT see it.. well then they dont

WANT to SEE it.. But you are always gonna have people who are like that.. but from reading all the

post here I do SEE that there are more people who GET it than I thought!

Thanks for the read!

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 03/29/2008
dadw5boys See Profile I’m a Fan of dadw5boys
Of course his thesis is correct. Why else would so many black men be in prison for drugs when the majority of users are white. They don’t give the black men jobs and think they are just going to go hungry and die away. Hell No. They fight to survive and if it’s selling drugs to white people then thats their job. Would it not be better to have hired the man and given him an equal chance to make it.

Your now paying about $60,000 a year to keep 1 man in prison and provide him medical care.

So thats is apparently the price of racism. $60,000 a year because to keep them out of society thats the average cost.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 03/29/2008
Aleka See Profile I’m a Fan of Aleka
I just wanted to say I really enjoyed this, and I thank you for writing it.

Its been driving me crazy, the irony – people who just spread the fox news hatred and racism when they think they are making a holy stand against it – too small minded or blind to see that they are being used as tools to spread the very thing they are objecting to.

It makes me really sad how the media treats the truth when a lie will serve so much better, and the result is so many people making important decisions while so very misinformed.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 AM on 03/29/2008
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America was founded in racism, and every generation UNTIL the Millenials passed on prejudice.

Remember Obama winning 18-30 WHITE vote.

I hope Wright watched WHITE, BLACK and BROWN 18-30s embrace Obama. Many have worked tirelessly for him, donating their few bucks each month, and coming out in RECORD numbers to VOTE for him. More importantly, they are going home to their parents and helping them to see past their inbred prejudice.

Whenever I really get down as you do, David, I shut OFF the TV/MSM, and remember story of my 13 year old niece going on and on about some great new gal in her class for months. When she finally brought her home is first time we realized she was black. NEVER crossed her mind to tell us the color of her skin, that’s just NOT an issue for more and more of our young people.

To paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr, Obama may not get to the Promised Land, but his kids just might if next generation has any say to it…

VERY telling only 25% of that next generation pays attention to MSM. They are relying on the internet for their INFO, scoping out the UNFILTERED TRUTH and that really has the MSM scared. Perhaps it’s not racism that has Hannity and Fox et al so scared of Obama, perhaps it’s self-interest, HIS followers are in the midst of a cultural INFORMATION revolution leaving THEM behind.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 AM on 03/29/2008
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LOL @ every generation until the Millenials passed on prejudice….

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 03/29/2008
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YEP Wright is RIGHT. I just need to read what Pat Buchanan wrote to know that Jermiah Wright was on to something.

Carol

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 AM on 03/29/2008
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Yes. He is right. But once again, black people already know this routine. Many whites are just awakening to this. And the fact that he could be right, thereby indicting many whites, is what has pundits and white news heads so pissed in the 1st place. So it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because many whites refuse to examine the truth in the what Rev. Wright said. “De-nial” is a river in America bigger than the Mississippi.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/29/2008
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Sorry, but being a typical Huff Post reader (thanx Arianna!), this one is so obvious…If you have to ask…
It’s a shame people are so ignorant. When your stubborn about your ignorance, then your just stupid.
Racism is simply fear.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 03/29/2008
Mesaywar See Profile I’m a Fan of Mesaywar
Actually, racism isn’t “simply fear.”
Racism is fear coupled with the power and will to treat those you fear unfairly.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 03/29/2008
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I don’t see anything wrong with what Rev. Wright said. The United States has made a lot of enemies with its arrogant policies. I don’t know why people are so shocked that the rest of the world doesn’t see us a the Gods we like to think we are. The whole HIV thing could be true, cases of the disease have been traced back to the 50s. During that time the government was still openly hostile to African-Americans. After the Tuskegee experiment I wouldn’t put it past this government to use HIV as a form of genocide. When he said that Hillary doesn’t know what it is like to be called a ni**er, that is true and I don’t see how those statements can be construed as racist.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 03/28/2008
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Does anyone here remember when the news media didn’t rely on live interviews and point-counterpoint? Back when they did canned and well edited interviews that got to the heart of a debate, showing most sides of an argument, and left the decision and righteous indignation to the viewer?

It breaks my heart to see what entertainment news has done to the only means most Americans have for getting at the truth of the matter. Not the truth as voiced by mouthpieces and hired guns. But the truth as defined by intelligent and objective questioning and investigations.

One last thought on this that I’ve seen asserted in these blogs before, but it’s worth repeating. There is such a thing as objective truth. Global Warming is not a theory. Racism is not a theory. That Hillary has ceased to be a mathematically viable candidate is not theory. The media, in addition to getting back to a foundation of serious investigative reporting, needs to return to honest reporting that doesn’t give credence to the minority (or even the majority) opinion when it is wrong, but calls falsehood by its name when it exists.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 03/28/2008
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For all those who STILL haven’t read and watched the entire sermon and Obama entire speech:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/18/obama-race-speech-read-t_n_92077.html

http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/03/jeremiah-wrights-911-sermon-in-context.html

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 03/28/2008
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This is a great post and most of the comments are thoughtful and informative. The others are interesting. Thanks.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 03/28/2008
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The Religious Reaction to the 9/11 Attacks

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Frank Schaeffer

Obama’s Minister Committed “Treason” But When My Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

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Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 03/28/2008
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Thank you, Mr. Sirota. I will definitely be following those links. I am so outraged and SO very saddened by what I’ve seen in the last few weeks (and even before with the Clintons doing the code thing). I thought, perhaps naively, that in this 21st century we as a society had truly become color blind. What a rude awakening this has been.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 03/28/2008
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Claiming that conservatives are doing this because they are racist is an intolerant and simple minded as many of the right wing are being regarding Wright.

I don’t think it is race or religion. The right wing is so isolated that J. Wright’s statements feel to them as though they are coming from another planet.

Frankly, I would like to know what he means when he says “God dam America”. I have a feeling that it is similar to an evangelist saying that ‘America must repent’, but I don’t want to assume that.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 03/28/2008
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I believe he said it in the past tense as in “God DAMNED America” meaning that this was God’s punishment (per the Bible) for killing innocents at home and around the world.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 03/28/2008
esaid See Profile I’m a Fan of esaid
Thanks, I have been wondering about that. I guess that is another way Pat B. and the rest are getting this wrong.

I haven’t heard the video of Wright yet. I wonder if someone has written it down.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 03/28/2008
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A lot of not listening and typos are happening. This morning on the View Hassleback kept saying “Garlic noses ” and reading it as racist towards Italians. I suspect it was “Gaelic noses.”

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 03/28/2008
Mesaywar See Profile I’m a Fan of Mesaywar
Thank you again, Mr. Sirota. I am currently listening to the Colorado radio interview. It is truly eye-opening.

I suggest that those who can; get a beverage and follow the link Mr. Sirota provides to the interview.
You will not be disappointed.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 03/28/2008
eridees See Profile I’m a Fan of eridees
In the small hope this will get posted (for some reason when I post to featured blogs, they don’t make the light of day) I’ll add my two cents. I call the MSM are a bunch of followers. Sean Hannity, Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarbrough, all of which seem to have an unnatural “man crush” on Rev. Wright are the school yard bullies. Instead of doing real reporting they feed off of these hacks almost as if they these individuals has some dirt on them . I only watch them out of morbid curiosity and rely on the internet which seems to be free of this syndrome for the real deal. You are absolutely right in your assessment of how the Media has validated Rev. Wright points how ever harshly he made them. Unfortunately not everyone is well informed enough to read blogs like yours to know that they are being patronized and mislead by these so called political pundits/hacks.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 03/28/2008
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I agree, right or wrong, the only journalists, who are capable of original thought, ( EVEN IF THEY ARE LIES ) are right wing journalists and radi hosts. MSM is just a bunch of question askers from the so called experts. MSM is just BS. Rush Limbaugh at least has guts to stand up against Mccain. Show me one jouralist in MSM who stood up for what he believes in and hence develops a following, forcing the hillaries to show up and ask for forgiveness?

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 03/28/2008
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I don’t see Rush Limbaugh as having guts, but more as a socio path who manipulates all around him.

Right now he is manipulating his dittoheads to change party affilation and vote for Hillary in the primaries.

Exit polls of those who did cross over in OH and TX found that those voting for Hillary in the primary had no intention of voting for her in the GE>

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 03/28/2008
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Frankly, I perceive the sexual abuse of children a worse form of spiritual abuse.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 03/28/2008
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Really? You don’t have a problem with the late Rev Falwell and Pat Robertson’s assertions that 911 and Katrina were punishment for the gays, etc. as evidenced in this transcript just days after 911.?

http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/0917-03.htm

JERRY FALWELL: God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.”

or this press release from Pat Roberson also just after 911?: “… We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say, “Why does this happen?” It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us.Once that protection is gone, we are vulnerable because we are a free society….”
http://www.patrobertson.com/PressReleases/TerroristAttack.asp And those are barely the tip of the iceberg!

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 03/28/2008
Mesaywar See Profile I’m a Fan of Mesaywar
Thank you for saying it, Mr. Sirota.
Thank you for pointing out the the double, triple, and quadruple standards being used to demonize Rev Wright, while giving Hagee, and others, a pass.
Thank you, most importantly, for deciphering some of the code-speak of the Clinton campaign.

Yes, “firewall” basically means race-wall. “Buyer’s remorse” basically means white fear-based backlash. Obama is “unelectable” means Obama is black. I’ve been speaking about this for quite some time now, and it just feels good to have someone with a voice say it.

There is a way for Senator Clinton to win the nomination. Everybody knows it. I basically involves pointing out that as more black-skinned Americans vote for Obama, more blue-collar Americans will not. Ferarro, Rendell, Bill, and others, have all in their own way pused this narrative along. They have been a lot more carful since the Ferraro backlash, but what senator Clinton’s strategy basically comes down to is stoking racial fears, then using the resulting fires to prove her point that Obama is unelctable in the general,…because of racism. Their only problem has been figuring out how to push the narrative without appearing racist

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 03/28/2008
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Excellent narrative.Bill Clinton has destroyed his own legacy or perhaps pseudolegacy.This election has brought out the beast in everybody.That people can so openly resort to racism as a way of winning election, in 2008, is astonishing.I’m interested in seeing how the so called blue collar workers in Pennsylvania will be voting.It’s time white America rose above the divide and conquer tactics of these greedy,self serving politicians.These tactics have been used with great success for generations.By continuing to fall for the same racist tactics,people,especially the blue collar workers,will only be voting against their self interest.The greedy Corporations are the problem,not the immigrants or blacks.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 03/29/2008
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I agree. They have been playing the race card for some time and the MSM has followed suit by giving the non-sense they perpetuate alot of attention. Many have shown their true colors during this campaign season and am not surprised. Only time will tell how much damage has and will be done by all this racist jargon.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 03/29/2008
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Part 3

Is any of the reasons listed above , makes sense to any readers, and hence he or she says, Oh my , I understand, where these sermons generate from, why the anger, and things might appear to some people not to make progress, because of the above.

But all members of all races , including lighter colored blacks are entitled , by Birth right to ignore it all, hate him for hating, hate him for being angry, and say ” these black people, ungrateful bas—–, and the black candidate, who attended a church where speaks such a man, ” I can hate them all, and will never vote for him , for he is associated by color, by membership, by his admission to a hate mongering black minister , in this Paradise, where Blacks are now equal members of society.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 03/28/2008
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“in this Paradise, where Blacks are now equal members of society.”

where’s that?

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 03/28/2008
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The Wright controversy supplies several things We the People really ought to look at, the first is proof that freedom of speech in this country is a fallacy, Sen. Obama apparently doesn’t even have the right to know somebody who doesn’t swallow American propaganda ! And secondly, it allows racists to vent their outrage without admitting what they are! I’m not saying that everybody who is offended by these remarks IS a racist, but certainly a racist looking for an excuse to attack has been handed a convenient justification. Another is how easy it is to contort the Bible to support whatever you want it to support, it gave the Klan the justification to hate “inferior races.” it gives republicans a basis for Gay bashing, Right to lifers used it to encourage clinic bombings, Robertson said it’s teachings suggested we should assassinate Chavez, I could go on for pages, but I’ll end with the fact that Bush uses it’s prophesies about Armageddon to justify his crimes, even calling it a Crusade at first! I’m not trying to bash Christians here, the Bible also teaches about love and decency, but people who want or have power find little use for those passages! My point is simply that compared to how others have used the Pulpit, saying “God Damn America is pretty tame stuff!

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 03/28/2008
Zeusthunderbolt See Profile I’m a Fan of Zeusthunderbolt
Is it possible that a person growing up being called names, discriminated against, treated with hate? Someone who has seen his fellow people lynched, is aware of government funded ( I am not sure if this is correct, or was it done unknown to the government ) case in Tuskegee , Alabama, where black patients were not treated for syphilis with penicillin, to study the natural course of disease. His life is currently devoted to housing the poor blacks in ghettos, feeding the hungry and sheltering the homeless in ghettos, watching black teenagers going to jail for crack position for 20 years and while teenagers for 5 for using cocaine, from ghettos to jails and back to ghettos of Chicago. When this person sees this ,lives this, grew up with this, he is suspicious, and is mad as hell at what he sees as injustice and hence assumes the worst, and suspects that HIV might have been infused in blacks and left to foster, to let them perish.

What does it feel like to be part of a race that is looked down upon by whites, browns, Latinos, far Asians, Chinese, Japanese, French, Europeans, and Arabs and by the lighter skinned of one’s own race? Can anybody who is not of the black race even begin to comprehend, what it must be like to belong to the one race that, every other nationality, race looks down upon and says: I am better then blacks.

However, the situation provides a unique opportunity for those of us with young children to continue an extraordinary trend. Don’t raise your children to be racists! I’ve read on here where several people have discussed the lack of racism in the Millennial generation, and this may be the most precious gift their parents could have ever given them.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 03/28/2008
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So do you think, the above experience can generate a mistrust of government and a little frustration with the wife of the first black American president , HRC ? A little paranoid view of America? A little skepticism of whites, specially when the likes of Ferraro talk about racism against whites ?

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 03/28/2008
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I consider the comments of Pastor Wright rather benign in comparison with the remarks by Rev. Hagee and the other right-wing nutcases. But the hysterical exploitation of the story by the media hints at racism, subconscious or otherwise. CNN’s 360 with Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper just won’t let the story go even though they were admonished the other evening by David Gergen and Carl Berstein to take the lead and elevate their standards of journalism out of the gutter. When the systemic problem of child molestations became apparent in the Catholic church, no one in the media demanded that parishioners leave the church. Talk about double standards.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 03/28/2008
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I was really disappointed in Anderson Cooper 360 and even Wolff Blitzer (situation room) for their perennial reporting of the Rev Wright’s fiasco.I used to think these two guys were open minded,fair and balanced.They seem to take special delight in juxtaposing Obama’s picture with that of Rev Wright everytime they talked about this issue,so that people automatically associate Obama with the pastor’s comment.Some of us are intelligent and we got the message.Why continue talking about this issue after Obama’s brilliant speech?What else do you want him to do?Very soon,he will be asked to denounce his wife for her comments or to denounce his two children for been baptized by Rev wright.As for Lou Dobbs,he has simply extended his resentment for mexicans and other immigrants towards Obama.He doesn’t even know that his words and body language spark of deep seated racism.If you live in America and believe that 99% of American are not racist (as Lou Dobb once said on his program on CNN),you are either in denial or need to have your brain examined.As for fox news,they simply have no soul.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 03/28/2008
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What, exactly, in your own opinion, makes Rev. Wright a bigot?
What, in your own words, did Rev. Wright say that was bigoted?
Could you please provide a quote, a link, anything to prove your assertion?
Thank you.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 AM on 03/29/2008
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Moncar, if he answered the questions you posted to your satisfaction, which I sincerely doubt he ever could, what will be next question you want asked to your satisfaction? Why did he stay with his wife after she made her completely taken out of context comment about being really proud of American for the first time? I wish people would just admit that they don’t like him and was never interested in voting for him in the first place. The media are the ultimate protagonist in this seemingly never ending drama. They feed your daily need to dislike him even more. For that reason alone it is a daily story. I can’t wait for the day when this story will become a callous on the brain of America and we can move forward.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 03/28/2008
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i would like for you to read my post above, part 2 unfortunately was censored, and reply please.

i know an 85 year old white male, southern, republican, believer is welfare moms as reason for all of America’s failures ( exageration to make a point of his political philosophy ), whose kids live in California , have great jobs in sciences, and they do not talk to him because of his views. He is absolutely brilliant in every other way , eg in English language, history, stock trading, constituton, travel stories, sense of humor. His kids in my view are missing out on a great human being in light of his wonderful personality, he will be gone soon and what a loss. Knowing him and his secular , democratic, enlightened kids’ reasons for walking out on him, I strongly agree with Senator Obama’s view: Respect the person, disagree with views, continue the dialogue. The political climate of hate has torn apart and demonise too many good people and families in this country. It is time we start talking, and may be change a few minds in the process. I am convinced that by the time Dr Wright will pass away, Senator Obama would change his world view. I hope that families with Republican parents and democratic kids will start talking again, and we will soon see the triumph of dialogue over hatred and love over Fox news generated ill wills.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 03/28/2008

BLACK BROTHERS WHO DENIED OBAMA NOW COMING TO THEIR BLACK SENSES! BRO. CHARLES RANGEL TAKES IT BACK! FROM BLACKSTARNEWS.COM

March 29, 2008

from blackstarnews.com

Rangel “Underestimated” Obama’s Strength

Black Star News Editorial

March 26th, 2008
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Rangel’s Letter To The Black Star News

[Black Star News Editorial]

Congressman Charles Rangel (D-Harlem) has proven that one can’t be too rigid in politics.

He has written a letter to The Black Star News conceding that he had underestimated Senator Barack Obama.

Rep. Rangel was responding to an editorial “Shame On Charlie Rangel” published Feb. 28, 2008 in The Black Star News and on our website. In his letter also dated Feb. 28 on his House Of Representatives letterhead, he writes: “Having read your most recent editorial ….I must admit that my statement that supporters of Senator Barak (sic) Obama were motivated solely by black pride grossly underestimated the talent and strength of his candidacy.”

The Black Star editorial had criticized Rangel and other Black leaders such as former mayor David Dinkins and Rev. Calvin Butts pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist church, all of whom at the beginning of the campaign had stressed that Obama’s support in the African American community was based on “Black pride.”

The Black Star editorial in part had read: “While announcing his support for Hillary Clinton’s presidential run over Barack Obama, Congressman Charles Rangel who represents Harlem said Obama had no chance. Rangel professed admiration for Obama yet claimed the people who enthusiastically backed him were motivated by “Black pride.” Now that Obama has won millions of votes and more states and more delegates than Clinton, we wonder whether Rangel has reassessed his outlook.

Perhaps the millions of white voters that have preferred Obama over Clinton are also motivated by ‘Black pride?’ So much so that Senator Obama even got more white votes than senator Clinton did in Virginia–the first time he beat her in the white vote count in a Southern State. Might these millions of voters –Blacks, Whites, Latinos, Asians—not be responding to senator Obama’s message of change, hope, empowerment and unity that resonates with all races, ethnicities, gender and religions?”

The editorial had also stated: “Dinkins and Rangel even travelled to South Carolina to campaign for Clinton. This, even after the Clinton campaign’s attack dogs had employed race baiting tactics, casting Obama as a drug dealer. Her husband Bill Clinton had also referred to Obama’s campaign and opposition to the Iraq war as a ‘fairy tale.’”

The Black Star News editorial also noted: “’Race pride,’ might have been a factor in Obama’s drive to succeed throughout his life. But race pride didn’t get him into Columbia; race pride didn’t take the exams that propelled him to Harvard Law School; race pride didn’t get him elected President of the Harvard Law Review; race pride didn’t get him elected to the Illinois senate, and then to the United States Senate; and, race pride, hasn’t brought him to the doorsteps of a possible singular achievement—on the verge of becoming the Democratic Party’s nominee for U.S. president.”

The editorial added: “We can understand how the Clintons may have succumbed to the worse type of human instincts in their desperate quest for the White House; it’s much sadder when so-called Black leaders are recruited to join in such ugly misadventure….

Rangel, Butts and Dinkins have the right to support any candidate whom they want. No one is obligated to emulate pioneers such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Congressman Adam Clayton Powell or Shirley Chisholm. But it’s wrong for them to belittle another trailblazer as being propelled by “Black pride.” It only sullies their reputation. When Rangel set out to become a congressman, and when Dinkins set out to become New York’s first Black mayor, and when Butts stepped to the pulpit at the great Abyssinian, each one of them, we are sure, hoped they offered more than their pigmentation to supporters.”

The editorial had concluded: “At the very least, Rangel, Butts and Dinkins owe senator Obama an apology.”

Rangel, in his response letter notes that, “It was a very well written editorial.”

We thank Rep. Rangel and encourage him to do the right thing. Switch endorsement to the candidate that can unite the Democratic Party and the nation—-Senator Barack Obama.

(For the entire original editorial please see http://blackstarnews.com/?c=117&a=4278)

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Date: March 28th, 2008
Name: Michelle
Subject: leadershio
Comment: Glad to find this site through Politico. Here’s what strength looks like: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/03/video-barack-obamas-philadelphian-unity.html
Weakness: http://acropolisreview.com/2008/03/john-mccains-iraq-war-five-year.html
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Date: March 28th, 2008
Name: Daniel Chambera
Subject: Your flash poll about reparations
Comment: If you truely support Barack Obama, this is not a good time to bring up the reparations issue. That would only contribute to the devisivness that Barack is rejecting. Let us elect Barack Obama and then, if you think it is appropriate, bring up these periferal issues.

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“THE REV. DR. JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH” BY BROTHER DR. WILMER LEON WHO DEFENDS OUR BROTHER REV. FOR SAYING THE BLACK TRUTH ABOUT amerikkka!:SENT IN BY BROTHER LOUIS ARMMAND

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The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright and the Audacity of Truth
By Dr. Wilmer J. Leon III
t r u t h o u t | Perspective

Saturday 22 March 2008

Over the past week or so, mainstream media have turned much of their attention to the fiery sermons of the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. Dr. Wright is pastor to Senator Barack Obama (D-Illinois) and his family. He was also, until recently, pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ of Chicago.

Most of the discussion and commentary about Dr. Wright’s sermons have come from a predominantly white media. The points of discussion have centered on what they consider to be the “vile, racist and un-American things” said by Dr. Wright. Very few, if any, of the discussions have focused on the historical basis and accuracy of what Dr. Wright actually said.

The major problem with the discussions is they have been largely one-sided. The media have used the imagery of Dr. Wright, clad in African garb, shouting in the cadence of an old-time fire and brimstone minister and playing to the camera as a scare tactic. Has this become the “Willie Hortonization” of Senator Barack Obama? The reporting and commentary on Dr. Wright’s words have been presented from the perspective of people who either have no appreciation for the African-American historical experience or a personal agenda when it comes to presenting these issues.

Dr. Wright is under attack for saying such things as “… the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law, and then wants us (African-Americans) to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no; not ‘God Bless America,’ God damn America … for killing innocent people; God damn America for treating its citizens as less than human….” These are very strong words, delivered at what many are calling a possible turning point in American history with regard to America’s willingness to elect an African-American candidate. While the mainstream media have found no merit in any of Dr. Wright’s statements, let’s examine their merit from a historical basis.

When people read the Constitution, the supreme law of the United States, they see the oldest governing constitution in the world. They see a great document that has articulated the precepts of life, liberty and happiness that all in this country try to follow. What is often overlooked are the parts of the Constitution that laid the foundation for hundreds of years of slavery and oppression for African-Americans; the constitutional framework for human beings to be treated as less than human. It’s these sections of the Constitution that America has never truly atoned for and still refuses to make right.

Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution stated, “Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.” This was known as the Three-Fifths Compromise and laid the groundwork for African slaves brought into America as forced labor to be defined as non-persons.

Article I, Section 9 allowed the importation of slaves to continue in America for twenty-one years after ratification of the Constitution by declaring: “The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.” This section only outlawed the importation of slaves once the domestic stock of slaves could be replenished by natural birthrates and importation would no longer be needed; again, treating its citizens as less than human.

Article IV, Section 2 stated, “No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, But shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.” This was enforced by Congress on September 18, 1850, when the Fugitive Slave Act was passed, allowing Southern states to reclaim slaves that had escaped to the North.

The Three Fifths Compromise and the Fugitive Slave provisions were superseded by constitutional amendments only after their damage to African-Americans had been done and the benefit to America had been served.

It is very easy to wrap oneself in the history and glory that is America and forget that from 1619 to 1868 (249 years) African-Americans suffered under the brutality and oppression of government-supported chattel slavery. In 1857, as Dred Scott, a slave, petitioned the US Supreme Court for his freedom, Chief Justice Roger Taney wrote, “beings of an inferior order (African-Americans), and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.”

Even after the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in 1865, the 14th Amendment granted their citizenship, and the 15th Amendment grated them the right to vote, from 1876 to 1965 (89 years) African-Americans continued to suffer under state-supported Jim Crow oppression in America. This was codified in 1896 by another Supreme Court decision, Plessy v. Ferguson, which upheld the constitutionality of racial segregation under the doctrine of separate but equal. These vestiges of slavery and oppression still plague many sectors of the African-American community, and the sense of white privilege they created continues to foster a false sense of white entitlement.

This is just the historical background for Dr. Wright’s comments. During his lifetime he has dealt with segregated schools, separate and unequal education, and discrimination in housing, employment and lending. He has witnessed civil rights protesters beaten by the police, ravaged by dogs, brutalized by fire hoses and COINTELPRO. Since his birth in 1941, an estimated 40 African-Americans have been lynched in this country. He was 14 years old when Emmett Till was brutally murdered and 23 years old when James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner were killed. Americans continue to deal with racial profiling, driving while black, the disproportionate rate of incarceration of African-Americans, the suspension of habeas corpus, warrantless wiretapping and other constitutional violations.

Regarding Dr. Wright’s comments about drugs and AIDS, let’s not forget the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments. From 1932 to 1972, the US Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. In his May 16, 1997, apology, President Bill Clinton said:

“The United States government did something that was wrong – deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens … clearly racist.”

With this historical understanding, it is not too far-fetched to think that the US government could be involved in similar activity as it relates to AIDS.

What has been conspicuously absent from the discussions about Dr. Wright’s comments in mainstream media is any analysis of the validity of his comments based upon his personal history and life experiences. It is very easy for white commentators such as Bill O’Reilly to dismiss his sermons as racist diatribes, since O’Reilly has no interest in trying to understand the plight of people of color in America.

Dr. Wright has also said, “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is brought right back into our own front yard; America’s chickens are coming home to roost….” Well, let’s examine the record.

The Arms Exports Control Act prohibits the president from furnishing military aid to any country which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights. In spite of all of the evidence supporting claims of the Israeli government’s human rights abuses of the Palestinian people, for FY2005 the United States provided $2.22 billion in military aid. This aid to Israel has a dramatic effect on Israel’s policies towards the Palestinians. It is the US funding that pays for the guns and ammunition, F-16 bombers and Apache helicopters that are used to carry out Israel’s occupation of Palestinian land and people.

According to The Boston Globe, in 1984, just after Ronald Reagan’s re-election, Bishop Desmond Tutu referred to the Reagan administration’s support for the South African government as “Immoral, evil and totally un-Christian.” Reagan ignored the rising number of Americans who were calling for American companies to stop doing business there. The president of so-called sunny optimism attempted to blind Americans with his policy of “constructive engagement” with the white minority regime in Pretoria. All constructive engagement did was give the white minority more time to mow down the black majority in the streets and keep dreamers of democracy, such as Nelson Mandela, behind bars.

History is replete with examples of the United States arranging to depose foreign leaders. In 1909, President Taft ordered the overthrow of Nicaraguan President Jose Santos Zelaya. According to Stephen Kinzer, “In Iran, Guatemala, South Vietnam and Chile, diplomats and intelligence agents replaced generals as the instruments of American intervention.” More recent examples of US intervention would be the invasion of Panama and the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Some may take issue with the earlier statement, “… the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three strikes law, …” by asking, “is Rev. Wright accusing the US government of supplying drugs to the black community?” This story has been well-documented in the 1996 San Jose Mercury News expose entitled “Dark Alliance: The CIA Complicity in the Crack Epidemic.”

I can understand people being uncomfortable with the comments made by the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright. White Americans have also been lied to, miseducated and desensitized about the plight of African-Americans. With the help of the social conservative agenda, many have developed a “deaf ear” when it comes to issues regarding race. The truth, especially an ugly truth that forces Americans to examine the precepts of America, “with liberty and justice for all,” and compare them with the hypocrisy of the American reality can be troubling. For far too long, Americans have been lulled into a false sense of security. Americans have believed history as told by the oppressor and failed to understand the reality of the oppressed.

Dr. Wright is not un-American. He embodies what America was founded upon, the free exchange of ideas in the public space, speaking truth to power, challenging America to be the best that it can be. The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright’s views might not reconcile with many Americans’ perceptions of America, but they must not be discarded as the ranting of an angry man. His statements were founded in the historical truths that African-Americans have and continue to live through.

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Dr. Wilmer Leon is producer/host of the nationally broadcast call-in talk radio program “On With Leon” on XM Satellite Radio Channel 169; producer/host of the television program “Inside the Issues With Wilmer Leon” and a teaching associate in the Department of Political Science at Howard University in Washington, DC. Go to http://www.wilmerleon.com or email: wjl3us@yahoo.com.

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“OBAMA’S SPEECH COULD SEAL THE DEAL” FROM MSNBC.COM,MARCH 19,2008

March 20, 2008

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Obama’s speech could seal the deal
Superdelegates will be wary of opening racial divide among Democrats

Down the ballot
ON THE TRAIL
By Amy Walter

updated 4:32 p.m. ET March 19, 2008

WASHINGTON – For months now, we’ve been waiting for the Democratic nomination contest to hit its tipping point. We’ve been fooled so many times this primary season by “phantom tips” that we’re wary of even looking anymore. Remember how Iowa, then New Hampshire, and then Wisconsin marked the turning points in the campaign? But the events of this week seem to leave little doubt that the race has tipped decidedly for Barack Obama, and that Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign has run out of ways to tip it back.

Obama’s highly personal and powerful speech in Philadelphia on Tuesday, combined with Florida Democrats’ decision not to push for a revote and the increasing likelihood that Michigan legislators will also reject a revote, have cut off any remaining angles for Clinton.

It’s still too early to speculate on whether Obama’s speech will alter the way in which race is discussed this fall. Nor can we evaluate whether or not it changed the minds of undecided voters. But this much seems certain: It will affect the way in which the issue of race is addressed in the primary. And it will certainly affect the way in which superdelegates — the ultimate “deciders” of the Democratic nomination — evaluate the two candidates.

Obama put himself out there in a way that no other White House candidate has done thus far. Unlike Mitt Romney, who mentioned the word “Mormon” just once in a speech designed to address concerns about his religious beliefs, Obama uttered the word “race” more than 10 times. Instead of glossing over the issue, he forced it to the surface. He has now defined the terms of debate on both the Jeremiah Wright controversy and the larger discussion of race. While he once again distanced himself from statements made by Wright, he didn’t disown him. All of this was done in a way that looked and felt natural because it didn’t stray from the central and consistent message of the campaign: Obama is not a typical politician who is satisfied doing the “safe” thing.

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March 18: Race for the White House’s David Gregory readers viewers’ responses to Sen. Barack Obama’s speech on race.
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The speech also stands in contrast to Clinton, who noted early in her campaign that she was the “most famous person you don’t really know.” Well, we’re almost through the month of March, and we still don’t know her much better than when we started.

Obama has successfully redefined any lingering Wright talk as just “another distraction” at a time when superdelegates and Democratic primary voters have grown increasingly more concerned about their nominee’s chances against John McCain.

By now, however, Democratic insiders know that even solid wins for Clinton in upcoming primaries won’t be enough to erase Obama’s lead among pledged delegates. If Michigan joins Florida in rejecting a revote, it also makes it nearly impossible for her to come close to overcoming Obama’s lead in the popular vote.

But that’s where the “electability” argument was supposed to come in to play for Clinton. For many weeks, polls showed Obama matching up just as well or better against McCain than Clinton. But a recent Gallup/USA Today poll showed Clinton with her first significant lead (5 percent) over McCain since last November. Obama, meanwhile, remains statistically tied with the Arizona senator.

This should benefit Clinton, right? After all, her plea to primary voters as well as superdelegates has been to let the process play out until the last vote is cast, to allow for a proper vetting of the candidates. But it seems as if Obama’s speech effectively turned the “electability” question into a code word for “acceptable to whites.” If so, it means that superdelegates will be very wary of opening a racial divide among Democrats that won’t heal before November and may not for a long time to come.

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ON OBAMA’S GREAT SPEECH ON RACE,”A MORE PERFECT UNION”,MARCH 20,2008:PRESS AND PEOPLE RESPONSES FROM BARACKOBAMA.COM

March 20, 2008

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By Christopher Hass – Mar 20th, 2008 at 9:23 am EDT

The speech Senator Barack Obama delivered Tuesday morning has been viewed more than 1.6 million times on YouTube and is being widely e-mailed. While commentators and politicians debated its political success Wednesday, some around the country were responding to Mr. Obama’s call for a national conversation about race.

Religious groups and academic bodies, already receptive to Mr. Obama’s plea for such a dialogue, seemed especially enthusiastic. Universities were moving to incorporate the issues Mr. Obama raised into classroom discussions and course work, and churches were trying to find ways to do the same in sermons and Bible studies.

… On the Internet and in many areas of the traditional news media, such a discussion was already taking shape. Some four million people watched Mr. Obama’s speech live, and it is now the top YouTube video.

The speech has stimulated passionate discussion on scores of blogs of varying ideological tendencies, and an article about the speech in The New York Times has provoked more than 2,250 comments.

… St. Edward’s University in Austin, Tex., is in session this week, and at Zak Fisher’s speech class Wednesday, Mr. Obama’s speech was discussed and analyzed, both for its content and as an example of persuasive and eloquent public discourse.

“We thought it was unprecedented,” said Mr. Fisher, a philosophy major. “We had never heard a politician be so open to the issue of race.
From USA Today:

A new genus of flower has been introduced into the 2008 presidential race. It’s a cross-pollination of disenchanted, moderate-to-liberal Republicans and the movement that is Barack Obama’s campaign.

Obamacans is what some people call them.

The list of prominent Republicans crossing party lines to endorse Obama is, so far, short but interesting. Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of the late president Dwight Eisenhower, tops it. Former U.S. senator Lincoln Chaffee of Rhode Island is on it, too.

… CNN.com reported that 70% of Republicans they surveyed who voted in Virginia’s primary cast their ballots for Obama.

… “The best of candidates are not always in one party,” says Clarence E. Hodges [deputy assistant secretary of State under the elder Bush's administration]. “The most moral candidates are not always in one party.”

… More than two years ago, as the buzz on an Obama candidacy was growing, I interviewed former senator Edward Brooke, the first black person to be elected by popular vote to the Senate in the nation’s history. Brooke, also a Republican, gave Obama his blessing and unintentionally foretold the Obamacan trend.

“I think he’s a very formidable candidate,” Brooke said. “He’s a Democrat and I’m a Republican, but that doesn’t matter to me.”
From Bloomberg:

Barack Obama is picking the University of North Carolina to win the national college basketball championship, John McCain was working on his tournament bracket last night in London and Hillary Clinton told reporters she needs to check with her sage, Bill Clinton.

…”Even with the rigors of a presidential campaign, there is time for March Madness,” said Jen Psaki, an Obama spokeswoman.

… Obama, 46, made his picks on a flight yesterday from Fayetteville, North Carolina, to Charlotte after Reggie Love, a campaign staffer who played on Duke University’s 2001 national championship team, passed out brackets on the plane.

A proficient basketball player himself, Obama has made a campaign habit of pre-election games after playing with friends on the day of the Iowa caucuses, which he won, and passing up a game on the day of the New Hampshire primary, which he lost.

“It really relaxes him,” said Illinois State Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, a regular participant and Obama backer. “We don’t talk politics. We just play ball and get a good sweat in.”
From the Erie Times-News:

Barack Obama has an edge in Erie when it comes to another measure of the Democratic nomination campaign.

Obama’s campaign headquarters in downtown Erie is up and running, signing up volunteers, selling campaign buttons and registering voters.

At Obama’s headquarters, which opened Sunday, five staff members are working out of the former Two Friends Italian Market, 25 E. 10th St., which is part of a parking garage complex. Two Friends consolidated its two downtown businesses and is operating out of 827 State St.

Signs on the windows announce Obama’s headquarters and, inside, a large American flag is draped in a space where cooks once took orders.

Andre Horton, chairman of the local Obama grass-roots movement, said the headquarters is a central place where people can get information, register to vote and volunteer. “And it’s visible. It gives our campaign a more visible presence,” he said.

It’s also a central dispatching station, from where staff members go to visit the region’s universities and other locations.
From the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

Ashley Baia is officially a footnote in political history.

No matter what else she goes on to achieve, she’ll be remembered, in part, as the 9-year-old girl Sen. Barack Obama spoke of Tuesday near the end of his landmark speech on race in America.

The little girl who ate mustard and relish sandwiches for a year.

“I’m a field organizer and I get to be a part of this,” said Ms. Baia, 23, of Venice, Fla., yesterday at Obama headquarters in East Liberty. “So, every day is pretty great in general.”

Being mentioned in what some predict will be one of the most remembered speeches in American political history, is just icing on the cake, she said.

“It’s a cool thing,” said Ms. Baia, quite unassuming and Bohemian prep in her khaki pants, green-and-white striped Oxford shirt, tan pullover V-necked sweater and flip flops. “I just think of my story as just my story. … I don’t feel my story is any more important than anyone else’s.”

… Ms. Baia, in Pittsburgh since March 12, will be here through the April 22 Pennsylvania primary, registering voters wherever she can find them — universities, high-traffic areas, bus stops, cafes, even a St. Patrick’s Day parade featuring Mr. Obama’s opponent — and training volunteers to run phone banks, build precinct teams, and simply spread the word.

… After graduating from the University of South Florida, she joined the Obama campaign in June 2007 and since then has racked up more than 30,000 miles on her black Dodge Stratus, which she calls “Bessy,” organizing for the campaign in South Carolina, Alabama, Texas and Mississippi before arriving in the Keystone state the day after the Mississippi primary.

… “I’m happy to be here and take part in this,” she said. “To be in this moment in history.”

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By Lawrence – “Not this Time!” This Time is Different! Today at 9:21 am EDT
Many people have express concerns and worries about the recent negative press our movement have received. On the lips of voters throughout the nation are the daily headlines cook-up by the mainsteam media. If you listen to a minute of Fox News you would think Obama was done and this election is over. However, grass grows quietly, and while we, the grassroots Obama movement, may not be in front of the camera everynight at the 6pm hour, we are nevertheless making an impact.

You see, grass grows quietly. The other day i know i cut down my yard and got every little blade, however when i came out today, there they are again…pushing thorough, thriving nevertheless, thousands may hundred of thousands of blades, back again.

My new motto and battle cry, comes from Obama’s Race Speech – Not this Time! This Time is Different! I know and you know this time is really different and we will be successful no matter how many times the mainstream media, negative pundits and spin doctors and yes even the Hillary campaign trys to cut us down, we will push through. Because the blades of hate and lies won’t keep us down, Not this Time! This Time is Different!

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By marytnurse, rejecting AND denouncing alarmist behavior from BOTH parties!! Today at 9:34 am EDT
Those expressing concern are often not what they seem, and those recognizing this for what it is–a movement to a greater purpose, a parade of higher angels, and a rethinking of our spiritual and intellectual selves, are the truth in this country.
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By Peggy Today at 9:59 am EDT
Please hand write and mail notes to your super delegates telling them not to follow the urging of Senator Clinton to use Rev. Wright to disqualify Obama. He is the only one with the integrity to lead this nation now!!

Another Mom for Obama…
Re: Grass grows quietly – but grows nevertheless | Report to Admin Reply
By KY Kim Obama 51 minutes ago
How do you find out who are your Superdelegates?
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By OLD NJ DEM 37 minutes ago
“How do you find how who your super delegates are?”

A number have not been selected yet but the best site for seeing who they are, and who has committed to each candidate is:

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By KY Kim Obama 24 minutes ago
Thank you
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By RA 18 minutes ago
Finally, a compassionate and smart conservative. See Mike Huckabee discuss Rev. Wright and Obama on Morning Joe!

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Mike Huckabee gets it right! What’s wrong with the other conservatives? Why can’t they get it?

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This is a must see video!

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While your there please sign and email the petitions for Clinton and McCain. The links for the petitions are at the upper right of the screen. YES WE CAN!
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By Mid America Mom 33 minutes ago
Hi folks- here in IL we are almost done.

The only superdelegate left is Rahm Emanuel and based on his history with the Clinton’s I am not sure when he will declare.

Mid America Mom
Moms for Obama– Link
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By Matthew 25 minutes ago
Form Slate.com: Mike Huckabee on Obama

On Obama’s speech:

… I think that, you know, Obama has handled this about as well as anybody could. And I agree, it’s a very historic speech. … And I thought he handled it very, very well.

And on the Rev. Wright:

… One other thing I think we’ve got to remember: As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say, “That’s a terrible statement,” I grew up in a very segregated South, and I think that you have to cut some slack. And I’m going to be probably the only conservative in America who’s going to say something like this, but I’m just telling you: We’ve got to cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told, “You have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus.” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would, too. I probably would, too. In fact, I may have had a more, more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me.

Funny how you don’t see Mark Penn or Howard Wolfson or Hillary Clinton saying things like that.

This is good.
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By Ken from Wagoner, OK 50 minutes ago
I am very proud to be part of this very special movement a movement for GOOD, FOR CHANGE A MOVEMENT FOR HONESTY !!
The firewall of our Democratic Party is in a simmering stage and if we do not stand up to the DNC and Gov. Dean this campaign will crash and the Republicans will be there to pick up the pieces !!
Hillary Clinton could care less, her very base is HYPOCRISY and will turn all of our victories into negatives !!
We Must Stand Up !!
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By Terry from Roark, KY 10 minutes ago
Hey Mathew, your right in away, but, that was in the 50s and 60s, a time when we were born, you cant blame us, innocent people for what someome did befor us, i understand what you are saying though.
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By Desert Dove Dan 2 minutes ago
Maryt, that was beautifully said. Bravo!
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By Charmona from Centreville, VA Today at 9:42 am EDT
Thanks Lawrence. I needed to hear that. Yesterday I heard Bill Maher talk about Obama as the Jackie Robinson of politics. It was a good comparison because Obama has to be PERFECT! So if people can’t find something that he did wrong we have to say his pastor is the bad seed, even though they know they have not heard Obama utter anything close to that. But MSM is like how do we know he hasn’t been swayed or convinced by that rhetoric. But then in the same breath of raising that question, MSM will say how eloquent Obama is, but Obama is not a racist.

I am tired of this man being held to a different standard. That is the way ALL black folks have lived our lives. We were always told, you have to be the best to even become close to being considered equal. BO is the best! This nomination is so close! But I have to tell myself, not this time. This time will be different.

I mean the double standard of Rev. Wright vs Falwell or other conservative ministers is outrageous!! The idea that the news continually puts the thought that “Obama had his children listening to this hate” is perpostrous! When we know that the black elite, (even Oprah) have attended this church over the years. Did it ever occur to anyone about why the black community is not nearly as outraged by the words as the white community? That is part of the difference in the races. We don’t see everything the same way and unfortunately for BO, he is running for President where the standard is already set of how anything should be viewed. That was one point I liked about the Cooper interview last night was the view of Patriotism. BO said that it is been defined in boxed terms and that he sees it differently. My heart tells me we will win, but just in case we don’t I am proud that no matter what, BO stayed true because at the end of the day he is the one that must look in the mirror.
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By Obama All The Way Today at 9:47 am EDT
I totally agree!

What a darn shame that in 2008 we still have so many people filled with so much hate and are being so unfair and divisive regarding a few 15 second sound bites, take totally out of context, from someone who is not Obama, nor speaking for Obama. There are a ton of under-educated and uninformed white people who will never appreciate or understand a non-white experience in this country, especially from the 50s, 60’s, etc. I’m so disappointed with many people, especially those who consider themselves good Christians, who can even begin to try to understand Wrights context or his experiences that may have shaped some of his comments. Christians should bve more understanding and forgiving and by all means not blame Obama or not vote for Obama simply because of this right-wing (Hannity, Rush, Bill’O) smear, slash ‘n burn hypocritical and darn right wrong campaign that strokes those racists, bigots, and plan uneducated white Americas who are basing things on fear and misunderstanding and log held stereotypes.

If you are one of the people that would NOT vote for Obama only because of this smear, than shame on you. Look in the mirror, look at your big glass house. No wonder we are always stuck with uncourageous, “do anything, say anything” politicians. This country and our system is such a mess right now and we don’t care. We are feed by the media and react like stupid sheep.

The hypocrisy, double standards and in the case so much higher standard being demanded is crazy. But again that proves how far WE HAVE NOT COME and how racism and fear is still so alive in the shadows in this country. We have a bi-racial man who has so much to offer this country and has treated us like adults, rather than mindless sheep, who have been so much more transparent, open and honest than Hillary or McCain can ever be, and yet we still turn away. We are so weak.

America this is our chance to turn a page. I hope you all look beyond the spin, smears, hate, fears, and everything else that would cause you to be twisted by this stuff.

OBAMA such an amazing leader and human being.
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By Deborah from Martensdale, IA Today at 10:23 am EDT
I can only tell you why I support Obama. I knew about his church last fall when I worked on his campaign in Iowa. I was worried that it would be an issue and knew in my heart that it could upset a lot of people. In my opinion, his speech was from his heart and I believe and trust in this man to lead our country. He stands head and shoulders above the other candidates in integrity, honesty and compassion for others. I hope you will keep listening and keep an open mind until it’s time for you to cast your vote. Listen to your heart and follow it.
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By Catherine from Riverdale, IL 20 minutes ago
Dear Back to Nader….
There are numerous churches in the world. We can all name many who do not talk like Rev. Wright. I am sure you can name many, but can you name a church that developed a person who is actually presidential material? Has your church done that? Maybe Hillary’s church has….

Hmmmm, do you know anything about her church? Is it possible, that she has a quiet church that promotes fear? The problem with that is that fear is the opposite of faith. Do you think that destroying the faith of the people is right? I don’t.

Sadly, if she wins the nomination…you may well get what you want. Our country, which has been honored so greatly will probably end up at war.

The independent vote will probably be outstanding because we, who would have been voting for Obama are not just Democrats. We are Republican and Independent as well. We will vote, but it won’t be for her. I hope you are prepared for 100 years of war. Certainly that is more honorable that a candidate who will not treat his pastor as a disposable person

I saw Cheney on TV last night. He was told, that many more men would die. He answered, “So what?” Of course, though, we should not consider that because he has a great pastor (does he have a pastor), and Cheney is an honorable man.

Hillary does not know how to run her own home (Monica Lewinsky), but since her preacher is “nice”…does that mean we should vote for her?

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While Hillary Clinton battles Barack Obama on the campaign trail, a judge in Los Angeles is quietly preparing to set a trial date in a $17 million fraud suit that aims to expose an alleged culture of widespread corruption by the Clintons…

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I will not pursue Hillary’s woes any further, it is depressing to consider all that she has done. Certainly, she is an honorable woman, despite the fact that she went into business with a felon. It doesn’t matter, right? She has a great pastor (wonder what his name is?)Oh well, go figure.
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By Angelene from Pompano Beach, FL 17 minutes ago
I’d like to say this as an African American. Many times in my life, I often asked myself why some of the things I have said or done bothered white people so much. I really mean this from the bottom of my heart.

We are all different and we really need to take a look at somethings with an open mind and a willingness to understand. Put yourself in someone eles shoes and walk one mile, then maybe you will be able to understand.

There were times when I would say things and white people would look at me like I was crazy. I find that one of the reasons are that Blacks have a tendency to be open, raw, and forward in speaking things that other people may not feel comfortable with even though they may feel the same way privately.

It seems to me that most white people (just an observation) are taught to be sensitive to certain things, that a black person have not. We (many of us) have been taught to tell someone how you feel regardless of how they feel as long as you tell what you see as the truth. I find that many of my white associates really don’t understand why I would open and honestly say certain things, but it is truly my inner feelings that I am sharing, especially in personal matters.

I have asked questions of white people that have shocked them greatly becasue I would ask such a question, it is not that I was trying to be rude or anything like that, it was that I was asking an honest question to receive an honest answer, but they appearently felt was inappropriate.

Not all of us were taught to ask appropriate questions, or what others felt were appropriate, we were taught to ask what you want to know, not that there is a limit to those questions.

When I put it all together in my mind, I think Barack did exactly what I would have done. I would not walk away from my pastor because someone else feels I should.

This is a man that has been critized for wanting to talk to our enemies, which is why many of us support him, now you are saying that he should walk away from his pastor because you do not agree with the pastor’s personality. What a double standard.
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By Gloria “Hussein” 7 minutes ago
Nader,
Get real. I’m sure you have people in your family/neigborhood who say things that are racially negative. I am black and I have older relatives that have said things about white people that would curl your hair. My grandmother grew up in a time where black men were lynched for not being able to pay a grocery bill. So why should any white person be surprised that blacks are angry.
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By scott Today at 10:24 am EDT
I don’t believe you “get it”. I urge you to take 30 minutes and listen to Obama’s speech on race. I think if you listen carefully, you will change your mind. You are in my thoughts today.
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By CK Educators with Obama 57 minutes ago
Yes, it’s all very curious how the corporate media has so ‘investigated” this matter and the general public is so aware of the many “details” of a few seconds of one man’s sermon-a man who has no legislative/judicial/or executive power within the government that supposedly has been called upon to represents us.
-yet we still have no idea where the billions of dollars (your tax dollars) sent to the nation of Iraq and American mililtary contractors are unaccounted for-have gone in this SIXTH year of this disasterous war.
-nor do we know why so many of our returning veterans are intentionally being denied tuition payments and medical benefits even though they have served their country and fulfilled duties as agreed upon at the time of enlistment.

yes…the corporate media has done its job…
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By Christopher Hussein Hart, Ph.D. 50 minutes ago
I beg to differ. Obama is THE ONLY candidate that is fit to lead our country! Hillary is corrupt, immoral, incompetent, dishonest, stupid, lacks good judgment, and an embarrasing two bit excuse of a democrat. PERIOD!

Obama 08!
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By 47SouthernWhiteMale 47 minutes ago
I don’t think it is ok to judge anyone for voting or changing your mind. I remember a passionate Republican supporter and Pastor telling me I should throw a brick through the window of a house on my street with a Kerry sign in the yard. The one change I would like to see in 2008 is a resurgence of tolerance in America. This is why I support Obama more than any other reason and I support your decision to change your mind. :)
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By JL from Plattsburgh, NY 46 minutes ago
So in your mind to be a better politician Obama would have had to throw Wright under the bus? To do this, as Obama said, would be like to dismiss his own grandmother. Weren’t you listening? Every person has a family member or an acquaintance that says ridiculous things but if you have any type of real relationship with that person you don’t thrown him out the window out of political expediency. That says a lot about Obama. He is a man of character and integrity. A stand up type of guy. Period.

What I find refreshing about Barack is precisely that he does not play with the traditional political playbook. In his speech he gave the reverend’s words context to enable a wider discussion on racial division in this country, which is really the issue. He turned a bad moment into a teachable one. Took lemons and made lemonade. We’re not perfect and neither is he. We can’t blame him for Wright’s comments, many of which, although said in a coarse way, do reflect the thinking of many people of color and in no way can be compared to the racist diatribes we hear from the likes of David Duke. Now, there’s an issue for discussion: the difference between the anger expressed by victim and victimizer.
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By Tamsin, whose conscience will only allow a vote for Barack Obama even if I have to write his name on the ballot! 46 minutes ago
Hi back to Nader. Barack is not saying that nothing is wrong, he is saying that we can’t just give up on anyone who has ever said something hateful or resentful or ignorant. And Rev Wright is so much more than those few clips. After 36 years of ministry there are only several minutes of hate speech. Reread the Hebrew and Christian bibles–they might surprise you.

My father is a retired Minister and has said many controversial things in the over forty years of his Ministry. He organized student groups against the war at Kent State, we were shot at when we lived in Midland for our anti Vietnam war protests. Much of his congregation disagreed with him vehemently. But he said, that they joined the congregation–not the Minister.

When people we care about disappoint us or act in a way that is destructive, we can choose to stay in relationship–to help them in the process of restoring themselves back to their humanity. It is the brave, caring, mature, and loving thing to do.

We have been fed a steady diet of fear for so long that even though it is bad for us we keep eating it. We have been told to fear the blacks, the gays, the muslims, the terrorists, the weapons of mass destruction, the welfare mothers, the immigrants, the “other”. And now Barack has been lumped in. We are supposed to fear him now. And every time the fear doesn’t stick to him they try a new angle.

The truth is that Barack is an example of what is best about our country. His story is the American dream made real by hard work, fine moral character, intelligence, family values, and sacrifice. The change that he is calling for starts within each of us. Are we ready to stop being guided by fear, cynicism, scarcity, conflict, greed, and meanness?

Please, search your own heart and mind. Read his speeches, read his books, think of your own life experience. The world as it is now is broken. A simple, decent way of life is out of reach for most of the human beings on this planet. It doesn’t have to be this way.

Whatever choice you make, do not let it be guided by fear. Be brave. Follow love and hope and compassion.
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By Laura from Norman, OK 45 minutes ago
I don’t think it means that your any of those things. Look, no one is perfect, period. What you have to decide is this: is this inperfection, the one they have been able to make a big deal out of, is this a deal breaker for you? Does this far outweigh all of the lies, mud slinging, manipulating and flip flopping that HRC has done? Do you really want to cast your vote for Nadar, who lets be honest, doesn’t really have a chance. When you step back and look at Obama as a whole, is this so great an offense to you that you can’t continue to support him? The sum is greater than it’s parts, we all have inperfections, we have all made mistakes and grown from them. Just continue to think about it.
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By Karen Hussein in Delaware 40 minutes ago
Okay, so now Obama is not perfect enough for you. Are you also one of the millions of Americans who believe Ronald Reagan was a great president conveniently forgetting the fact that Reagan conducted a secret war in Nicaragua without the knowledge or consent of the U.S. Congress? If Obama’s greatest flaw is that he went to church every Sunday and listened to a pastor whose views are out of the mainstream, and extreme, etc., then I will take Obama. Cut me a break. People like you will never find a candidate who meets your overly-exacting criteria. Go to Nadar’s web site and knock yourself out.
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By Candi J 39 minutes ago
Obama is not saying there is nothing wrong. Please listen to the speech again but with an open heart and mind. Obama did say Rev. Wright’s comments were wrong and divisive but that is not all of who Rev. Wright is. The MSM has taken comments out of context and played them over & over so we will think that is the only kind of sermon he ever preached. I guess I view my realtionship with my church as a marriage. I am not always going to like what happens but I don’t believe in church “shopping”. If I want to make a difference in my church, I need to stay in good times and bad. Do you remember that Barack doesn’t believe in distancing ourselves from others just because we don’t agree with what they say and think? Look at what is in common and what good can come. He told you in that speech that Rev. Wright is like family. Would you kick a family member to the curb for not agreeing with you? For saying wrong things? If so, then I guess I need to kick my father to the curb for still using the “n” word and having views on race & politics that differ from mine. Instead I choose to love him & continue to talk to him about why I am supporting Barack. He is beginning to listen.

Barack’s whole speech was about how there is something wrong. There is something wrong with race relations in our country and it won’t be fixed with divisive comments like Rev. Wright’s or like those from people like my dad. We need to stop these comments and dialogue about our thoughts, feelings & viewpoints on race. What is good about all people of all colors? What good can we accomplish together? I have to cut this short. Forgot about a meeting. Sorry but please don’t turn away. Any step we make that brings us closer together is a step in the right direction.
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By Nick from King of Prussia, PA 36 minutes ago
The fact that you are on this site trolling masked as an Obama supporter is proof enough you weren’t. Your comments are almost a direct recitation of Pat Buchanan. You have no idea what was said in his church. Think a bit. The first “bad” comments I have seen were in 2001-2002. Maybe September 11th brought something out of Wright. Fact is we have no idea what and when things were said. It could be 3 times in 20 years or 3 times per week. What we do know is that Obama is his own man and believes different. I have grown up with family who are racist and in 30 years guess what, I have not disowned them, I disagree, and their opinions don’t define me. Go watch H+C.

Nick
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By Mary from Los Angeles, CA 14 minutes ago
I am an African American Christian and I go to church in California and my pastor frequently says things I do not always agree with. I receive what my spirit agree with and do not receive what my spirit do not agree with.

Most people do not understand our culture and therefore many ask why did he not leave the church, black folks do not leave their church irregardless of how bad it gets because our church is like our family. You do not disavow your family.

Everyone should e-mail Sean Hannity and tell him to stop the hate@ hannity@foxnews.com.
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By ken matthews southern california 34 minutes ago
please get a profile.
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By California Sharon 31 minutes ago
I wrote to Anderson Cooper today, asking him to do a full segment devoted to Religion and Politics. He can call it “The Religion Card.” While we profess to separate church and state, we know that in reality, America has played “the religion card” in presidential campaigns from JFK to Romney. Yet, I can’t recall seeing the religion card played so insidiously as we’ve seen in the last week against our fine candidate, so let’s challenge them on it. Write the media and tell them you want a full, open and unbiased “equal time” presentation, including supporters or advisers like Falwell, Graham, Parsley and others. We need to ask ourselves why we play the religion card when evaluating whether a candidate is fit to lead the country on health care, economics, foreign policy and all of the other challenges that face us?
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By Rosalind 30 minutes ago
Back to Nader? from Philadelphia, PA,

I know you have heard the endless loop of Dr Wright sermons that have been played but please listen to this one. Maybe this will give you a different insight of Dr Jeremiah Wright.

After Sen Obama sitting there listening to this sermon wrote one of his best selling books entitled ‘The Audacity to Hope’.

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By Michaele 22 minutes ago
You are free to go back to Nader and forget that the change we seek will not be easy. If you want a perfect person to vote for, maybe Nader is your man. But, I am in this movement for the long haul. I read Barack’s books and did not see a perfect man. I did find the hope that will give my son and my future grandchildren a new pride in America and the opportunity to live in peace.

John McCain will not bring that to America or the world.
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By Alice Tina from Indian Trail, NC 21 minutes ago
Back to Nader? If you are going to let a 30 second sound bite influence you not to vote on Obama what does that tell you? Being a part of a church for 20 years does not mean that this pastor spoke of these things for 20 years. That makes NO sense. I am sure that this pastors whole 20 years have not been about saying those devisive things. I believe that this is a isolated incident. When you join a church it is bigger that the pastor. You develop relationships with the childrens ministry, the womens ministry, outreach ministry and it becomes like a family. The Pastor may say controversary remarks but maybe not to that extent and I personally don’t believe that Obama was at church everytime the doors opened I believe that he casually went to church and did not hear those harsh statements. If you really ever believed in Sen. Obama I don’t think you would allow what someone else statements be imposed on Sen. Obama. The fact is that Obama did not say those things and we have to let Sen. Obama denounce the words and not the man. The bible tells us “HE WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE” and it says that “ALL MEN HAVE FELL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD” I further believe that any true man of God could not condemn the man. The bible tells us to hate the sin and not the sinner and I believe Sen. Obama has shown that he truely loves God by following the the word of God and not man. You see when you really love God then you follow his word. Obama has shown true leadership.

I ask that you please stand…
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By Solicitor 13 minutes ago
Back to Nader? Please do. I bet we can hold you responsible for every wrong thing any member of your immidiate family has said or done since you were born. Is that fair game I ask you ?

It is one thing to raise valid concerns about an issue but it is quite another to reach a rather dumb and self rightous conclusion. I reapeat if you must go to Nader Please do.

Solicitor
Uk
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By silent voice 54 minutes ago
Charmona,
Very wise words. Please don’t even think we will not win. Nothing in life comes easy. There will be more hickups on the way. Ever generation has a leader that sets the said generation on a path. The days of HRC and Rev.Wright there was so much anger. We all know. It was and has to this day been a polarised world community. Until our generation, in general, and our political campaign produced a messiah that has the courage to address it. Ours is the most tolerant, most culture concious in the history of mankind. That is what the HRC generation lacked. I think race is an issue very important to address if America wants to change. That is what Barack is running for. He needs the power of the presidency to deliver us from this historic bundage. Out of many we are one, pledging allegance to the stars and stripes. Our generation will be the rock of mankind, for we will with our leader, establish a purpose for generations to come. Enough, with all the fighting, racial anger, resentments, and what have you. We are a modern generation, prepared to solve the problems our fathers created, for the good of our children, and our childrens’ children. We should show our father’s generation the light to unity for a common purpose. Their generation barked at, and bit each other, thats what their reality required in those days. The negative attacks about race, is evidence thats all they know. It is clear to see, Barack does not know that way, he is not with that generation. They are hurting our leader with outdated mentality. I have a caucasin wife with kids. Beautiful feeling it is. Our generation has to stay on course. The road to unity, and reconsilliation, education of those brothers and sisters who still carry the old ways in their heads, for we are all one. God bless y’all.
Silent voice
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By Elyse 51 minutes ago
Charmona, I posted a personal blog today on a similar topic. I tried to find your account to send you a message about it. Couldn’t find it quickly. So I’ll try to figure out how to post it here as a link [be patient -- I'm 50! =)] I’d really welcome your input and insights.

Link

If the link doesn’t work, I’m Elyse in South Elgin, IL
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By Karen whose family is also “of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents” Today at 10:00 am EDT
Thanks Lawrence – that was a great first comment for the day. I love it – grass grows quietly!
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By waterprise2 Today at 10:10 am EDT
In that case, please go somewhere else and rot!!
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By BahamasForObama08 27 minutes ago
BAM, sucker! (Such an irritating pimple on my @$$ right now – sorry.) : B
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By CeCe 50 minutes ago
I don’t believe that anyone believes that you are under-educated and hate-filled. Obama was at the church for 20 years. Every sermon was not like the one that you heard. There has been no evidence that Wright is racist or un-American. We can disagree with the government and with actions that have occurred and still be loyal to our country.

I have lived in America for 33 years and I don’t agree with A LOT of things that our country has done. I speak out against them to a great deal, but that does not make me un-American.

Obama is not a bad politician. He is a human politician. There is a difference. He said that he wanted to bring change, to rise above. And he has done that; maybe not to the degree that you would have liked. But he has done it nevertheless. Why does America feel that he has to be “perfect”? Is it because perfection can never be reached and we just have to have a reason to dislike or distrust someone?

I’m sorry that you disagree and I’m sorry that you feel misled. I hope that you will find a resolution to your feelings.

You are correct. Things do rot quietly which is to explain the attitudes and emotions of many people who are taking a speech about the need for unity and taking issue with one or two sentences.
Yes, things do rot quietly. You may be an example of that idea.
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By greenparty4barack 49 minutes ago
Back to Nader for Rev. Wright. Ha nice profile! come back when your interested in real VIABLE change for this country. otherwise, your wasting time coming here to act like a rightwing smear technian… your not very good at it.
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By Christopher Hussein Hart, Ph.D. 46 minutes ago
Then you are in the wrong place son!

Obama 08!
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By DenHusseinforObama MA 8 minutes ago
Ok Guys,

I think we have given Mr. Back to Nada enough fame and publisity in this blog.

And it looks like he is enjoying being in the spotlight. Must be very cold and lonely in the other blogs!!

So who’s up for change?

Anybody knows the wherebouts of “The Closer”

Michelle Obama?!!
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By For Change 13 minutes ago
So why are you here again? Doesn’t Mr. Nader need you assistance?
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By Scott from Corona del Mar, CA 8 minutes ago
Valid counter. Grass can be cut down quickly as well, especially with Reverend Wright pushing the mower.

It is important that supporters and campaign stategists confront the reality of Wright’s disasterous impact on the campaign and compose ONGOING attempts to mitigate the effects.

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There is widespread discussion of how 20 years of personal association could not have revealed these maniacal tendencies, (lunacy is not an intermittent disorder) and are being authored by persons capable of independent thought. Just imagine what the other 75% of the electorate is thinking.
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By LW Today at 10:01 am EDT
Yes, and we all know that grass grows up THROUGH the sidewalk! At least Obama grass does!
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By Seth Today at 10:01 am EDT
Mr. Obama should appear on some shows like SNL or Jon Stewart just before the PA primaries. Get the word out!

Go, O!
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By Courage 2 Change 36 minutes ago
He was on Anderson 360 last night and he will be on Larry King Live tonight. I don’t think most people decide who to vote for based on News anchors opinions. Most people are independent thinkers and they will based their decision on who to vote for based on where they are on issues, like the Economy, Healthcare and their views on the war. What people fail to realize is despite the Reverend Wright controversy … Barack has not changed his postion on those issues. For anyone to cahnge their alliance, based on someoneelse’s “words’ is folly.
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By Joe Ruwe 23 minutes ago
I love it! Obama is the clear front runner. Obama is the clear leader in delegates. Obama clearly has the most impressive grassroots campaign ever run in our history. Obama clearly has raised more money than any political figure in history. Obama clearly has the support of the “little guy.” Obama is clearly superior than his opponents. Obama very clearly is not a divisive figure in politics like his opponents. For people who are afraid of an Obama Presidency, for people who are fearful of this man leading us – clearly the divided thoughts are in their own mind.
Obama will be the savior of our damaged nation. It is only natural that the people of the status quo and the biased, crooked corporate media who have gotten America to this damaged and horribly embarassing point in our history would resist his beautiful, inspiring campaign.

All the while, the grassroots is growing, the money is flowing in and Obama is changing the world, one person at a time. Take that trolls!
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By MI4Obama Today at 10:08 am EDT
Funny thing happened on the way back from a bridal shower. I was talking to my white, evangelical Christian VERY conservative sister (who is married to an even more white, even more evangelical and more conservative man!) and she says “We are supporting Obama”. I just about swerved off the road. She goes on to say, “I saw on Meet the Press the presidential scholar Doris Kearns Goodwin and she was talking about how to determine if a president will be a successful president or not. She said that you can determine it by how he runs his campaign.” She then went on to say that Goodwin says that a great president cannot be predicted by his/her experience or even his/her intellect, but by his temperament. For once I agree with my sister! Obama is even-tempered. He is inclusive, fair-minded, and judicious. He is a constitutional scholar who has a great respect for our founding documents AND he is a patriot and a man of character. He has brought me and my sister together (I am one of those liberal academic types), and I am sure he can bring the country together! Let us not be dismayed by the rantings of an uneducated public, for once someone becomes educated, they see the truth!
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By cactusflower Today at 10:14 am EDT
Thank you for this story – one person at a time, one voter at a time, WE ARE THE CHANGE.
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By greenparty4barack 46 minutes ago
uplifting story! and with an interest in american history, i think Doris is great.
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By Mia-NC, whose conscience will only allow a vote for Barack Obama even if I have to write his name on the ballot! 36 minutes ago
What a great story, Michelle!!! I think that’s the amazing thing about this campaign is really how it’s bringing together such an amazingly diverse group. Who would have ever thought even a few short years ago this would be possible. Thank you to you and your sister!
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By BahamasForObama08 30 minutes ago
MI$Obama, I love your story! Isn’t it a beautiful thing that is happening in America? GF, I felt your experience with your sister so deeply because when people can change in a split second from what they were before is truly a miracle. Hugs and kisses to all in the OBAMA Family today; I feel like dancing in the street this feeling is GREAT! (God is good all the time!)
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By Becky from NW Iowa 29 minutes ago
My 82 year old, southern white (with a history of repressed racism), 700 Club watchin’ mother-in-law is veering over to Obama, too. Especially after The Speech and reading it being lauded on the Christian Broadcasting Network.

(And the fact that she’s staying with us in our small house for three whole weeks and I’m doing my darndest to keep my temper, in general, can directly be credited to my efforts to emulate my Hero’s temperment. ;-)
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By BahamasForObama08 24 minutes ago
Whoa, Becky! I feel you, sistah – lol! One love (especially to mom-in-law) : B
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By CK Educators with Obama 20 minutes ago
Just repeat…
diagree without being disagreeable
disagree without being disagreeable

mother-in-law???
wow-you’re going to need more than Obama-call in all the greats…
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By Reginald Obamican Today at 10:11 am EDT
Thank you for saying note, very inspirational
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By Raj from Nashville, TN Today at 10:22 am EDT
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Today, Obama is under attack from the other end of the spectrum, accused of tacitly endorsing the Afro-centrism and deeply critical views of America expressed by his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. To those who know Obama and have followed the arc of his career, the charge makes little sense against a man they have long considered a beacon of a colorblind future
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By Courage 2 Change 45 minutes ago
Amen! I agree, we as Obama supporters have to fight the good fight and it starts by not watching FOX News and Sean Hannity. There are forces within the main street media,that are working to help Hillary Clinton to gain support among Superdelegates, but it’s not working. Barack Obama has gained 48 Superdelegates since Super Tuesday to Hillary Clinton’s 9. There are also several New pundits who said, they think that without Detroit and Florida Hillary Clinton is done. There is a consensus, that The Reverend Wright controversy has done some damage, it still doesn’t change the fact that Barack is ahead in delegates, the popular vote and he is up by 700,000 in the Popular vote. The fact that Barack Obama’s Speech made You Tube History speaks volumes about our hunger for Change. We have to remember, that we still have 5 weeks before the Pennsylvania Primary, so it is better, that the controversy is happening now, rather than in April.
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By John (from CA, CT, and Ireland) 40 minutes ago
People on these boards are truly inspiring!

The media is really acting shamefully in their portrayal of this whole Rev. Wright issues. Barack could not have been more succinct or clear on how he disagrees with those statements, but the media still continues it’s hit-job on him.

And for what? Because they want to keep this race going. They care not about the truth, or the news, but about viewers. But they have certainly lost me.

I think we should all tell them that they are turning off people with their antics, and false ‘news’.

Email the media – it takes 5 mins – and may make them wake up!!!

Addresses here:
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Let’s do this folks – let’s make a difference!!!
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By Mary from Los Angeles, CA 7 minutes ago
This just demonstrates that Hillary will do whatever it takes to win this election. She is dishonest and cannot be trusted.

She agreed that those votes would not count because they violated the DNC rules and when she was not coronated on February 5th she now want to change the rules in the middle of the game.

Hillary Clinton shame on you!
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By Kimberly from Goodyear, AZ 38 minutes ago
Perfect analogy. Grass does grow quietly and it’s difficult to stop.

I’ve again made a contribution to the Obama campaign and have joined many more local groups to do what I can to help. I’m truly disappointed by those in the media and have to wonder how much of their views are routed in bigotry. I do hope I’m wrong but some of the commentary heard by political analysts refuse to see value in Obama’s speech and won’t cross any line to at least acknowledge its importance of saying the unsaid to try and build a bridge to American unity. We certainly don’t have unity in this country. And although I agree Obama’s pastor was wrong to phrase his anger in the way he did, I myself (at times) get angry and have said bad things about Bush and the way this country is headed more times than I can count. Just as Obama is trying to get across, my anger and bad words don’t mean that I don’t love my country. I’ve come across those people that are harping on the pastors words and I’m always quick to point out that everyone has the ability to analyze words, thoughts and ideas then come to their own conclusions. Certainly, the Republicans will have us think like Rush’s radio zealots that people just think the way they are told to. I reject this notion and I’m sure so does Obama….
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By Alex Colston 35 minutes ago
Awesome statement and analogy! I made 25 calls to Pennsylvania yesterday and it made my day when 2 different people asked me how to switch voter registration from Republican to Democrat. The grass is growing back even stronger!
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By Kimberly from Goodyear, AZ 8 minutes ago
Great job! Was it difficult to make the calls to PA voters? I’m thinking about doing it too.
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By Joe 35 minutes ago
Very Nice Lawrence.

I love the term ‘grass grows quietly’ but persistently.
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By Joe Ruwe 17 minutes ago
the more you try to mow it down – the stronger and thicker it grows back….
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By Dawn from Jackson, GA 31 minutes ago
Beautiful and so true. Fox is giving cover to Hillary operatives to give her the nomination with manufactured outrage over Wright’s speech. It is a disgrace. It is not accidental that Hillary has called Obama ‘unamerican’ in Michigan.

. Desperate people do desperate things. We have had a difficult week, but, Barack has remained poised and eloquent. We must all stick together, and remain focused on our goal, whatever it takes from each of us to help Barack win the nomination. I am from Pennsylvania, and we have a battleground. Rendell is stopping at nothing to put Hillary into Office. They are calling this state Ohio on steroids. “Let’s Roll”.
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By CK Educators with Obama 30 minutes ago
Sponsored by Wal-Mart?
Maybe they’ll have greeters…I’m actually shocked that Wal-Mart hasn’t installed voting machines in their stores…
Can you imagine???
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By LW Today at 10:03 am EDT
If she is making him look bad, he should offer to split the delegates 50/50, and let them be seated. If she really is worried about THEM, she should take that. If not, she can keep nothing. She knew and repeated it, so to act so dramatically is silly.
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By Victoria Not This Time! Today at 10:21 am EDT
first she said she didn’t want it remember? now the tune has changed because she’s loosing. This is her last card and her last hope to steal the election because she can’t win by votes…very clear and she’s done!
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By DianaR ILLINOIS whose conscience will only allow a vote for Barack Obama even if I have to write his name on the ballot! Today at 9:57 am EDT
It’s interesting that more states are voting in the primary than any previous year — and we talk about voters being disinfranchized???

BROTHER JESSE JACKSON ON OBAMA’S PHILLY SPEECH-“TURNING CRISIS INTO OPPORTUNITY” FROM CLIFFSCHECTER.BRAVENEWFILMS.ORG

March 19, 2008

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Turning Crisis into Opportunity
by GottaLaff · Tuesday March 18, 01:30 PM
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pssst!

This, from Jesse Jackson, expresses what some of us are feeling:

“I thought it was a culmination of tough-minded, tender-hearted and a clear vision,” Jackson told the Huffington Post. “It really was warm, filling, captive, reconciling and comprehensive and it displayed real true grit. He was forthright not evasive and used it as a teaching moment in American history: America’s struggle to overcome its past and become a more perfect union. And once he made the case about the past and the complexities of Reverend Wright’s life or [Geraldine] Ferraro’s for that matter, he made the case that we are here now, but this time we will go forward by hope and not backwards by fear.”

The ability to see all points of view shouldn’t be the exception, but so often it is. It’s a gift. That’s how good judgment begins, by seeing all sides of an issue and making a sound evaluation based on actual knowledge.

Knowledge, JohnSidneyMcCain. Acquire it. Appreciate it. Apply it.

“I think American saw an even deeper and more profound view of him today,” he said. “He has turned crisis into opportunity.”

Constructive, thoughtful, productive. That’s what we want to see in our leaders, and that’s what we saw in Obama today.

Topics · Barack Obama · Speech · jesse jackson · 2008 election · gottalaff

Bucky commented about 17 hours ago:
And JJ’s “go forward by nope and not backwards by fear” is a great line.

When he’s not fearmongering himself, Jackson can be a powerful speaker.

I remember seeing him in college … at a very conservative college here in Texas (very conservative) and he had the entire audience on their feet chanting “I am somebody.” It was amazing!

Sadly, he’s wasted his talents all these years.

Bucky commented about 17 hours ago:
But Evening, I thought you were a brother … aren’t we all black now?

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eve commented about 17 hours ago:
Everly — that’s good — I could be a brother.

David G. commented about 17 hours ago:
I just want to be tall enough to see over the steering wheel next time. D.

Kirsten commented about 17 hours ago:
Everly ( new nickname!),I want to be thinner and prettier. I already have a way with words. Not like Obama, but enough. I don’t want to be greedy.

eve commented about 17 hours ago:
In my next life I am going to be able to express myself at least half as well as Jesse and Obama.

I’m going to be taller, too.

David G. commented about 17 hours ago:
Thanks K… misery always loves company… But I believe we’re right. D.

Kirsten commented about 17 hours ago:
David G., you’re not the only one. I’m quite shocked by the fact I agree with him as well.

David G. commented about 18 hours ago:
Oh, no. I’m agreeing with Jesse? I must be losing it. D.


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