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The Bible As Best Black History Book – The Glory of Ham – Was Abraham Black?
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The Sons of Ham–Cush (Ethiopians) & Mizraim (Egyptians)
& Phut (ancient Lybians or Somilians) & Canaan – “Genesis 10:6″

For years scholars, theologians, and archaeologists have debated the answer to the question, “How did the Israelites look physically?” Although the Bible and other historical documents have left much proof of the physical appearance of the biblical Israelites, much of this information is still unknown to the masses.The popular belief today among Christians, scholars and theologians, is that the people known as “Ashkenazi Jews” are the direct descendants of the biblical Israelites. Can this be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? The answer to that is NO. The Bible, which will be used here as the main source, supported by history and archaeology proves that the Ashkenazi Jews are not the physical descendants of the biblical Hebrews. In addition, it reveals who the true descendants are. The answer may leave you in shock.Israel is mentioned in the bible over 2,500 times. The scriptures contain the Hebrews’ entire history. In fact, no other people on the face of the Earth have such an extensive recorded history, not even the ancient Egyptians. Every thing we need to know about the ancient Hebrews is contained in Scripture. So, let’s examine these facts, information that to this day remains unknown or hidden to many bible readers.
Gen.10:6 Ham’s descendants were Cush, Egypt, Put, and Canaan.
7 Cush’s descendants were Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabteca. Raamah’s descendants were Sheba and Dedan.
8 Cush was the father of Nimrod, the first mighty warrior on the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter whom the LORD blessed.
(God’s Word Translation)
10 The first cities in his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Accad, and Calneh in Shinar Babylonia. 11 He went from that land to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah,
The history of the Israelite nation began in Egypt, the Land of Ham. They entered Egypt 66 in number, (not including Joseph, his wife and two sons who were already in Egypt), and left numbering over two million people. Ancient Israel spent 430 years in Egypt. For half that time they enjoyed good favor with the Egyptians, but for the remainder of those years they were enslaved and horribly mistreated by them.
One of the first facts the Bible gives us about Israel (Ysrayl in the Hebrew tongue) is in regard to their physical appearance. Throughout scripture Israel is described as looking like the sons of Ham (Khawm in the Hebrew tongue).
Ham was one of Noah’s three sons, Shem and Japhet were the other two. Noah’s descendants repopulated the Earth after the Great Flood. Ham’s descendants are traced to the families of Africa. Ham (Khawm) in Hebrew means BLACK, HOT AND BURNT.
Ham had four sons,
CUSH (Ethiopians / Cushites),
MIZRAIM (Egyptians / Khemet),
PHUT (Ancient Libyans or Somalian),
and CANAAN (Canaanite, the original inhabitants of the Land of Israel) Genesis 10:6-19.All four of Ham’s sons and their descendants settled in and around the Continent of Africa. This includes the so called “Middle East” that is also a part of the Continent of Africa. Let us begin with the story of Jacob’s second Youngest son Joseph, and his time in Egypt. Joseph was one of the twelve sons of Jacob (Yaaqob in Hebrew). Jacob sired Joseph in his old age, and he was clearly his favorite son. This caused Joseph’s brothers to become jealous of him. Ultimately, their jealousy resulted in Joseph being sold by Arab merchants as a slave to Egyptians.
The foundations of ancient Chaldea, were laid as early as those of Egypt. In fact they were the sister colonies of a parent state. The earliest civilized inhabitants were Sumerians. 5000 B. C. the land was full of city-states. The Sanskrit books of India, called Chaldea one of the divisions of Cusha-Dwipa, the first organized government of the world. These Sumerians were the inventors of the cuneiform system of writing, which was later adopted by their Semitic conquerors.
The northern division of Babylon was called Accad, comprehending Babylon, the southern Sumer, including Erech and Ur. North of Accad were the Semitic (Hamitic) tribes which so largely made up the blood of Assyria in later days.
Gen.10:8 Cush was the father of Nimrod, the first mighty warrior on the earth. 9 He was a mighty hunter whom the LORD blessed. (God’s Word Translation)
10 The first cities in his kingdom were Babylon, Erech, Accad, and Calneh in Shinar Babylonia. 11 He went from that land to Assyria and built Nineveh, Rehoboth Ir, Calah,
We know that Nimrod was the son of Cush. Babylon had two elements in her population in the beginning. The northern Accadians and the southern Sumerians were both Cushites. The finds of recent explorations in the Mesopotamian valley reveal that these ancient inhabitants were black, with the cranial formation of Ethiopians.
nThe art, science and culture of the earlier unmixed Chaldeans was Cushite.
Rawlinson speaking in his Ancient Monarchies decided that the ruins of Chaldea show Cushite origin. The names of Chaldea and Ethiopia are linked in a way to render any other interpretation impossible. The great city of the earlier period was Niffer a corruption of Nimrod. The language of the ruins is radically different from the Semitic tongue of the Assyrian empire.
Rawlinson said concerning the Babylonians said, “Though not possessed of many natural advantages, the Chaldean people exhibited a fertility of invention, a genius of energy which places them high in the scale of nations and most especially those descended from Hamitic stock.”
The Chaldean Noah entered the ark with his wife and children. Upon the recession of the waters he sent out three birds three times. He built an altar and offered sacrifice.
nThe life of the Semitic and Hamitic races must have been closely associated after the deluge. So close is the apparent relationship, that some authorities have looked upon Abraham as Hamitic. Abraham came from Ur of the Chaldees. But he descended by direct line front a Semitic father. His mother may have been Hamitic for Abraham was spoken of as a Chaldean.
Over the course of time Joseph became Viceroy of Egypt and was second in command to Pharaoh in authority. There was a famine in Canaan, where Jacob and his sons lived. (Pharaoh had a dream which Joseph interpreted. His dream told of the forthcoming famine and gave Egypt an opportunity to prepare by storing food.) So, Jacob sent his ten sons to Egypt to buy bread. When Joseph’s ten brothers came into Egypt they were brought before him. Joseph recognized his brothers, but they didn’t recognize him (Genesis 42:1-8).
Since the biblical Egyptians were a black-skinned people, Joseph had to be black-skinned also. If he were white skinned, as over half the world’s Jews are today, his brothers would have recognized him easily among the black- skinned Egyptians, or they would have been very curious as to why this white-skinned Hebrew was ruling in Egypt. But his brothers just thought Joseph was another Egyptian.
The ancient Egyptians of Joseph time were indeed what we know today as black skinned. This is a fact attested to by many.
Gerald Massey, English writer and author of the book, Egypt the Light of the World wrote, “The dignity is so ancient that the insignia of the Pharaoh evidently belonged to the time when Egyptians wore nothing but the girdle of the Negro.” (p 251)
Sir Richard Francis Burton, a 19th century English explorer, writer and linguist in 1883 wrote to Gerald Massey, “You are quite right about the “AFRICAN” origin of the Egyptians. I have 100 human skulls to prove it.”
Scientist, R. T. Prittchett, states in his book The Natural History of Man, “In their complex and many of the complexions and in physical peculiarities the Egyptians were an “AFRICAN” race (p 124-125).
The Ancient Greek historian Herodotus, who visited Egypt in the 5th century B.C.E., saw the Egyptians face-to-face and described them as black-skinned with woolly hair.
Anthropologist, Count Constatin de Volney (1727-1820), spoke about the race of the Egyptians that produced the Pharaohs. He later paid tribute to Herodotus’ discovery when he said:
“The ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same type as all native born Africans. That being so, we can see how their blood mixed for several centuries with that of the Romans and Greeks, must have lost the intensity of it’s original color, while retaining none the less the imprint of its original mold. We can even state as a general principle that the face (referring to The Sphinx) is a kind of monument able, in many cases, to attest to or shed light on historical evidence on the origins of the people.”
The fact that the ancient Egyptians were black-skinned prompted Volney to make the following statement:

“What a subject for meditation, just think that the race of black men today our slaves and the object of our scorn, is the very race to which we owe our arts, science and even the use of our speech.”
The testimony of the ancients, the Bible, many Egyptologists, along with archaeology confirms that the Egyptians during biblical times were a BLACK-SKINNED PEOPLE. This is important to know, as we continue, we will see that the bible on multiple occasions describes the ancient Hebrews as looking like the Egyptians.
Next, in Genesis chapter 50 verses 7-11, scripture will describes ALL the Hebrews as looking like the ancient Egyptians.
After Jacob (who’s name was changed to Ysrayl – Israel) died in the Land of Egypt, all the Hebrews and Egyptians went down to the Land of Canaan to bury him (He asked his son to bury him in the Land of Canaan with his forefathers Genesis 49:29-30).
Verses 7-8 state that all the elders of Pharaoh’s house and all the elders of the Land of Egypt along with all the Hebrews (except for their small children) went down.
VERSE 9 says, “It was a very great company.”
VERSE 11 says, that the Canaanite saw the funeral procession and said “THIS IS A GRIEVOUS MOURNING TO THE EGYPTIANS”.
But remember this was a mixed multitude of Hebrews and Egyptians going to bury a HEBREW, and the Canaanite identified them both as Egyptians. WHY? Because the Canaanites saw a great company of black-skinned people who were all probably dressed according to the customs and fashions of Egypt, and they all looked liked native (black) Egyptians.
If the Hebrews were a white-skinned people, as we have been led to believe, the Canaanite who were familiar with both the Hebrews and Egyptians would have acknowledged them both by saying, “THIS IS A GRIEVOUS MOURNING TO THE EGYPTIANS AND HEBREWS.” The scripture goes on to say that the Canaanite named the place where they saw this great mourning for a HEBREW Abel Mizraim which means the meadow of Egypt/Mizraim or Mourning of the Egyptians.
Now let’s go to the most famous story, of the Hebrews sojourn in Egypt, which would be the story of Moses. Many years after the death of Joseph, His brothers and all that generation that entered Egypt during the time he was viceroy. The Hebrew population in Egypt grew tremendously. Because of this, they were no longer looked upon as friendly neighbors. In fact, the Egyptians considered them hostile enemies and enslaved them. (Other ethnic groups were enslaved by the Egyptians during this time also.)
Because of the Hebrews’ population growth the Egyptians decided they would impose upon them their own form of birth control. Pharaoh decreed that all Hebrew males are killed at birth (Exodus 1), this brings us directly to the story of Moses.
Moses was born a Hebrew – Israelite from the tribe of Levi (Exodus 2:1-3). He spent 40 years in the House of Pharaoh (Acts 7:23) and from the time he was an infant, passed as the Pharaoh’s grandson (Exodus 2: 6, 10). This was during the same time that Pharaoh ordered all Hebrew males under the age of two to be killed. So, if Pharaoh, was a black-skinned descendant of Khawm / Ham, which he was, it would of course follow that Moses was black-skinned also.
Many Scholars say the Pharaoh who was on the throne of Egypt at the time of Moses’ birth, was Pharaoh Seti I. He was the father of Rameses II, the Pharaoh of the oppression, also known as Rameses the Great.
George Rawlinson, an English author wrote a book entitled History of Egypt. On page 252, he gives a description of Seti I. He states: “SETI’S FACE WAS THOROUGHLY AFRICAN. HE HAD A STORMY FACE WITH A DEPRESSED FLAT NOSE, THICK LIPS AND HEAVY CHIN.”
Moses had to have the same physical characteristics because again, he was raised in the house of Pharaoh, as the grandson of Pharaoh, when Pharaoh ordered all other Hebrew males to be killed at birth. If the Israelites were a white-skinned people, how could Moses the Hebrew survive (secretly) in the house of Pharaoh among black-skinned Egyptians for 40 years, and not be noticed.
Furthermore, after giving the decree (himself) to kill all Hebrew males, how could Pharaoh face and rule over his people, if he knowingly had one living in his house with all the rights and privileges of his own family? Moses survived 40 years in the palace of Pharaoh because he was a black-skinned man just as the Egyptians were. Just as the Canaanite couldn’t tell the Hebrews from the Egyptians. Pharaoh couldn’t either, or Moses would have been killed instantly.

Temple Drawing Of Pharoah Seti I 1306 B.C.E – 1290 B.C.E.

This is an actual temple drawing of Pharaoh Seti I, taken from a temple in Egypt. This is the Pharaoh who scholars identify as being on the throne of Egypt at the time of Moses’ birth. It is believed that Seti I was Moses’ “foster grandfather”.
Ancient Egyptian Queen Tiye 1391 B.C.E – 1353 B.C.E.

This is a bust of the ancient Egyptian Queen Tiye. She was the wife of Pharaoh Amenhotep III and the mother of the Pharaoh Amenhotep IV (Akenaton). She was also the grandmother of the boy, King Tutankhamen, more commonly known as King Tut. Below is a statue of him. This is how the Egyptians looked during biblical times.
STATUE OF KING TUT 1334 – 1325 B.C.E.

This is a statue of the boy king (King Tut), this statue was found in his tomb, among many of his treasures in Egypt, during an archaeological excavation in 1922. Scholars say king Tut was on the throne of Egypt, a few years before the Israelites’ Exodus.
One of the newly reconstructed images of King Tut

Above is one of the pictures of the reconstructed image of King Tut. This image comes from the Discovery.com website, it is from a soon to be aired program called the “Assassination of King Tut”. The image was put together from the skeleton of the King by using forensic science and sophisticated computer programs. King Tut and the Egyptians of biblical times were a black skinned people. Let the pictures tell the story. The Truth is beginning to come forth, Praise Yah.

Scripture tells us that Moses killed an Egyptian, after he saw him mistreating a Hebrew. So Moses had to flee from Egypt for his life because Pharaoh found out and sought to kill him (Exodus 2:12-15).
Moses fled to the land of Midian where he helped seven daughters of the priest of Midian water their flock, after chasing away some bully shepherds. The girls went home to their father, Reuel and told him what happened.
They told him that an EGYPTIAN saved them and watered their flock (Exodus 2:16-19). Notice they didn’t say a Hebrew in Egyptian clothing saved us, and they described Moses as a black-skinned descendant of Ham (Egyptian). Further proof that Moses was black-skinned can be found in Exodus 4:6-7.
In this passage YHWH, (The Creator’s name in Hebrew) is showing Moses miracles so that he can prove to the children of Israel who sent him. YHWH or the abbreviated Yah tells Moses to put his hand into his bosom, which he does. When he takes his hand out, it is LEPROUS (White) as snow. If Moses was already white-skinned, what would have been the miracle in turning his hand white?
But, since Moses and the rest of the Hebrews were a black skinned people, this would have been a very powerful miracle, to turn his hand (skin) the opposite color of the rest of his flesh.
Verse 7 says, Yah told Moses to put his hand back into his bosom, and it turned as his other flesh. Meaning that the rest of his body (skin) was other than white or the opposite of white, which is black.
In the book of Numbers, chapter 12 verse 1, Moses’ sister and brother, Miriam and Aaron spoke out against him because he married an Ethiopian woman, (not because she was black skinned, but because she was of another culture. / Nation) their behavior angered Yah. Verse 10 says, He TURNED MIRIAM LEPROUS, WHITE AS SNOW. Once again if Miriam, who was a Hebrew, was white to begin with, what would have been the curse of turning a white-skinned person white?
HOLLYWOOD VERSION OF
MOSES AND THE PHARAOH RAMESES II

From what history has taught us concerning the Hebrews Physical appearance, it is apparent that the Hollywood depiction of Moses is at the very least inaccurate, and at the most could be viewed as a racist misrepresentation.

Donnelly affirms that Egypt, Chaldea, India, Greece and Rome passed the torch of civilization from one to another. They added nothing to the arts that existed at the earliest period of Egyptian history. These arts continued without material change until two or three hundred years ago. For all these years men did not improve, but perpetuated. The age of Columbus possessed only printing that was unknown to the Egyptians. Egyptian civilization was highest at its first appearance showing that they drew from a fountain higher than themselves. In that day Egypt worshipped only one supreme being. At the time of Menes, this race had long been architects, sculptors, painters, mythologists and theologians. What king of modern times ever
ndevoted himself to medicine and the writing of medical books to benefit mankind, as did the son of Menes? For six thousand years men did not advance beyond the arts of Egypt.
Imhotep lived during the reign of King Djoser (2630-2611BC) and was the architect of the step pyramid at Saqquara, the first pyramid ever built in Egypt. Born a commoner, he quickly rose through the ranks of the temple and court to become a vizier and high priest. As a member of the Pharaoh’s court he was an architect, scribe, priest and physician. He pioneered the building of pyramids and was later deified.
Acts 21:37-38 states that Paul, (Shaul in Hebrew) the apostle, was being led into a castle by a chief captain. Paul spoke to the chief in Greek, asking permission to speak with him. The chief captain was surprised that Paul could speak Greek and in Verse 38, asks Paul, “Are not you that EGYPTIAN?” Paul responded, (Verse 39) “I am a man of Israel (Hebrew).”
In order for this chief captain to mistake Paul (the Hebrew) for a black-skinned Egyptian, Paul had to look like an Egyptian, as scripture tells us the whole nation of Israel did. This is why in the book of Matthew 2:13, the angel of Yah told Joseph to arise and take the young child Yahshua, (The Messiah’s true Hebrew name is Yahshua) and his mother Mary (Miriam in Hebrew) and FLEE INTO EGYPT. He was told to stay there until he received further instruction, because Herod would seek the young child to destroy him.
Joseph, Miriam and Yahshua were told to flee into Egypt, (Africa) not for military protection, because during this time, Egypt was a Roman province under Roman control. They fled into Egypt because Egypt was still a “black” country, populated by a majority of black-skinned people (Egyptians). Joseph, Miriam and Yahshua would have been just another black-skinned family among many. Remember, they fled into Egypt to HIDE from Herod who was seeking to kill Yahshua.
If Yahshua and the rest of the Hebrews looked like those pictures of the “Christian Christ”, it would have been hard for him to hide in Egypt and not be noticed. NOTE: the above fact about Yahshua hiding in Egypt was attested to by a biblical scholar on a BBC produced program last year (2001).
The Program was called ‘THE COMPLETE JESUS’. The scholar stated that it would have been hard for Yahshua to hide among the Egyptians, if he didn’t look like the Egyptians, he was saying that Yahshua could not have been white skinned. He admitted in the program that Yahshua was a dark /black-skinned man.
Now back to our lesson.
He also made mention that the Israelites of the first to third centuries wore their hair in Afro’s. This is only the tip of the iceberg, you can’t hold down the truth.
Herod was put on the throne of Israel by the Romans, and Egypt was under Roman dominion. All Herod had to do was check with the Roman officials in Egypt to find out if there were any Hebrews with baby boys around. But, since the Hebrews and the Egyptians looked the same physically, it would have been hard to single out a Hebrew family among the Egyptians.
Ancient Egyptians

When Joseph, Miriam and Yahshua fled into Egypt, they were among people who look like the couple in the above picture. As was mentioned, the ancient Egyptians were the descendants of Noah’s son, Khawm, or Ham in English. Khawm means black, hot and burnt. The ancient Egyptians of biblical times called their land and themselves Khemet, which in their tongue means “THE LAND OF BLACKS.” The word Khemet is nothing but a variation on the word Khawm in the language of ancient Egypt.
In Psalm 78:51, Egypt is called “The House of Ham (Khawm).”
“…AND SMOTE ALL THE FIRSTBORN IN EGYPT; THE TABERNACLES (HOUSE) OF HAM (KHAWM).”
Psalm 105:23,27 calls Egypt the land of Khawm (Ham),
Verse 23 “ISRAEL ALSO CAME INTO EGYPT; AND SOJOURNED IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM).”
Verse 27 “THEY SHOWED HIS SIGNS AMONG THEM, AND WONDERS IN THE LAND OF HAM (KHAWM).”
The Bible calls Egypt the land of Khawm, and remember one of the meanings of Khawm is black, so The Bible is calling Egypt “The Land of Black” which is what Khemet means. Egypt is called the land of Khawm because the Egyptians were descendants of Noah’s son Khawm. This is more than likely the reason they called themselves Khemet. The Bible supports the fact that the Egyptians were a black-skinned people.
Statue Of Pharaoh Mentuhotep II 2040 B.C.E.

Pictured above is a statue of Mentuhotep II, found in his tomb in Egypt. He unified Egypt / Khemet and relocated the capitol to Waset (Thebes / Luxor). He is the father of the princess captioned below. By now it should be clear what color the Egyptians were. Don’t forget, this is what THE BIBLE says the children of Israel looked like.

Tomb Drawing of an Ancient Egyptian Princess

Above is a tomb drawing of the ancient Egyptian Princess AU-Shead (This may not be the correct spelling, but it is how her name is pronounced). She was the daughter of Pharaoh Mentuhotep II (above). This painting was taken from the wall of her father’s tomb.

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An Ethiopian Journal“Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel?” (Amos 9:7)
OLD ETHIOPIA – ITS PEOPLE
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Wonderful Ethiopians of the Ancient Cushite Empire
by Drusilla Dunjee Houston [1926, no renewal]

CHAPTER II

Because of the great lapse. of time, it seems almost impossible to locate the original seat of the old Ethiopian empire. Bochart thought it was “Happy Araby,” that from this central point the Cushite race spread eastward and westward. Some authorities like Gesenius thought it was Africa. The Greeks looked to old Ethiopia and called the Upper Nile the common cradle of mankind. Toward the rich luxurience of this region they looked for the “Garden of Eden.” From these people of the Upper Nile arose the oldest traditions and rites and from them sprang the first colonies and arts of antiquity. The Greeks also said that Egyptians derived their civilization and religion from Ethiopia. “Egyptian religion was not an original conception, for three thousand years ago she had lost all true sense of its real meaning among even the priesthood.” (Budge, Osiris and the Egyptian Resurrection–Preface.) Yet Egyptian forms of worship are understood and practiced among the Ethiopians of Nubia today. The common people of Egypt never truly understood their religion, this was why it so easily became debased.

Ptolemaic writers said that Egypt was formed of the mud carried down, from Ethiopia, that Ethiopians were the first men that ever lived, the only truly autochthonous race and the first to institute the worship of the gods and the rites of sacrifice. Egypt itself was a colony of Ethiopia and the laws and script of both lands were naturally the same; but the hieroglyphic script was more widely known to the vulgar in Ethiopia than in Egypt. (Diodorus Siculus, bk. iii, ch. 3.) This knowledge of writing was universal in Ethiopia but was confined to the priestly classes alone in Egypt. This was because the Egyptian priesthood was Ethiopian. The highly developed Merodic inscriptions are not found in Egypt north of the first cataract or in Nubia south of Soba. These are differences we would expect to find between a colony and a parent body. Herodotus (bk. ii, p. 29) says that Meroe was a great city and metropolis, most of its buildings were of red brick. 800 B. C. at Napata, the buildings were of hard stone. (Meroe–Crowfoot, pp. 6, 30.)

The Cyclopedia of Biblical Literature says, “There is every reason to conclude that the separate colonies of priestcraft spread from Meroe into Egypt; and the primeval monuments in Ethiopia strongly confirm the native traditions, reported by Diodorus Siculus, that the worship of Zeus-Ammon originated in Meroe, also the worship of Osiris. This would render highly probable the opinion that commerce, science and art descended into Egypt from the Upper Nile. Herodotus called the Ethiopians “Wisemen occupying the Upper Nile, men of long life, whose manners and customs pertain to the Golden Age,those virtuous mortals, whose feasts and banquets are honored by Jupiter himself.” In Greek times, the Egyptians depicted Ethiopia as an ideal state. The Puranas, the ancient historical books of India, speak of the civilization of Ethiopia as being older than that of Egypt. These Sanskrit books mention the names of old Cushite kings that were worshipped in India and who were adopted and changed to suit the fancy of the later people of Greece and Rome.

The Hindu Puranas speak of the Cushites going to India before they went to Egypt, proving Hindu civilization coeval with that of Chaldea and the country of the Nile. These ancients record that the Egyptians were a colony drawn out from Cusha-Dwipa and that the Palli, another colony that made the Phoenicians followed them from the land of Cush. In those primitive days, the central seat of Ethiopia was not the Meroe of our day, which is very ancient, but a kingdom that preceeded it by many ages; that was called Meru. Lenormant spoke of the first men of the ancient world as “Men of Meru.” Sanskrit writers called Indra, chief god of the Hindu, king of Meru. He was deified and became the chief representative of the supreme being. Thus was primitive India settled by colonists from Ethiopia. Early writers said there was very little difference in the color or features of the people of the two countries.

Ancient traditions told of the deeds of Deva Nahusha, another sovereign of Meru, who extended his empire over three worlds. The lost literature of Asia Minor dealt with this extension of the Ethiopian domain. An old poem “Phrygia,” was a history of Dionysus, one of the most celebrated of the old Ethiopians. It was written in a very old language and character. He preceeded Menes by many ages. Baldwin says that the authentic books that would have given us the true history concerning him, perished long before the Hellenes. The Greeks of historical times distorted the story of Dionysus and converted him into their drunken god of wine. “They misconstrued and misused the old Cushite mythology, wherever they failed to understand it, and sought to appropriate it entirely to themselves.” One of the poetical versions of the taking of Troy, on the coast of Asia Minor, was entitled “The Æthiops,” because the inhabitants of Troy, as we shall prove later, who fought so valiantly in the Trojan war, were Cushite Ethiopians. This version presented the conflict as an Egyptian war.

In those early ages Egypt was under Ethiopian domination. In proof of this fact, the Cyclopedia of Biblical Literature says, “Isaiah often mentions Ethiopia and Egypt in close political relations. In fine the name of Ethiopia chiefly stood as the name of the national and royal family of Egypt. In the beginning Egypt was ruled from Ethiopia. Ethiopia was ruined by her wars with Egypt, which she sometimes subdued and sometimes served.” Modern books contain but little information about the country of the Upper Nile, but archaic books were full of the story of the wonderful Ethiopians. The ancients said that they settled Egypt. Is it possible that we could know more about the origin of this nation than they? Reclus says, “The people occupying the plateau of the Blue Nile, are conscious of a glorious past and proudly call themselves Ethiopians.” He calls the whole triangular space between the Nile and the Red Sea, Ethiopia proper. This vast highland constituted a world apart. From it went forth the inspiration and light now bearing its fruit in the life of younger nations.

Heeren thought, that excepting the Egyptians, no aboriginal people of Africa so claim our attention as the Ethiopians. He asks, “To what shall we attribute the renown of this one of the most distant nations of the earth? How did the fame of her name permeate the terrible deserts that surrounded her: and even yet form an insuperable bar to all who approach. A great many nations distant and different from one another are called Ethiopians. Africa contains the greater number of them and a considerable tract in Asia was occupied by this race. The Ethiopians were distinguished from the other races by a very dark or completely black skin. ” (Heeren’s Historical Researches–Ethiopian Nations. Ch. 1, p. 46) Existing monuments confirm the high antiquity of Meroe. In the Persian period Ethiopia was an important and independent state, which Cambyses vainly attempted to subdue. Rosellini thinks that the right of Sabaco and Tirhakah, Ethiopian kings, who sat upon the throne of Egypt in the latter days, must have been more by right of descent than by usurpation or force of arms. “This may be judged,” he says, “by the respect paid to their monuments by their successors.”

The pictures on the Egyptian monuments reveal that Ethiopians were the builders. They, not the Egyptians, were the master-craftsmen of the earlier ages. The first courses of the pyramids were built of Ethiopian stone. The Cushites were a sacerdotal or priestly race. There was a religious and astronomical significance in the position and shape of the pyramids. Dubois points to the fact that in Upper Egypt there were pictured black priests who were conferring upon red Egyptians, the instruments and symbols of priesthood. Ethiopians in very early ages had an original and astounding religion, which included the rite of human sacrifice. It lingered on in the early life of Greece and Home. Dowd explains this rite in this way: “The African offered his nearest and dearest, not from depravity but from a greater love for the supreme being.” The priestly caste was more influencial upon the Upper Nile than in Egypt. With the withdrawal of the Ethiopian priesthood from Egypt to Napata, the people of the Lower Nile lost the sense of the real meaning of their religion, which steadily deteriorated with their language after their separation from Ethiopia.

If we visit Nubia, modern Ethiopia today, we can plainly see in the inhabitants their superiority to the common Egyptian type. The Barabra or Nile Nubians are on a footing of perfect equality in Egypt because that was their plane in ancient days. Baedecker describes them as strong, muscular, agricultural and more warlike and energetic than Egyptians. Keane says the Nubians excel in moral qualities. They are by his description obviously Negroid, very dark with full lips and dreamy eyes. They have the narrow heads which are the cranial formation of Ethiopia. Race may be told by shape of the skull far better than by color or feature, which are modified by climate. The members of the Tartar race have perfectly rounded skulls. The head of the Ethiopian races is very elongated. Europeans have an intermediate skull. The cranial formation of unmixed races never changes. Keane concludes by saying, “All Barbara have wooly hair with scant beards like the figures of Negroes on the walls of the Egyptian temples.” The race of the Old Empire approached closely to this type.

Strabo mentions the Nubians as a great race west of the Nile. They came originally from Kordofan, whence they emigrated two thousand years ago. They have rejected the name Nubas as it has become synonymous with slave. They call themselves Barabra, their ancient race name. Sanskrit historians call the Old Race of the Upper Nile Barabra. These Nubians have become slightly modified but are still plainly Negroid. They look like the Wawa on the Egyptian monuments. The Retu type number one was the ancient Egyptian, the Retu type number two was in feature an intermingling of the Ethiopian and Egyptian types. The Wawa were Cushites and the name occurs in the mural inscriptions five thousands years ago. Both people were much intermingled six thousand years ago. The faces of the Egyptians of the Old Monarchy are Ethiopian but as the ages went on they altered from the constant intermingling with Asiatic types. Also the intense furnace-like heat of Upper Egypt tended to change the features and darken the skin.

In the inscriptions relative to the campaigns of Pepi I, Negroes are represented as immediately adjoining the Egyptian frontier. This seems to perplex some authors. They had always been there. This was the Old Race of predynastic Egypt–the primitive Cushite type. This was the aboriginal race of Abyssinia. It was symbolized by the Great Sphinx and the marvelous face of Cheops. Take any book of Egyptian history containing authentic cuts and examine the faces of the first pharaohs, they are distinctively Ethiopian. The “Agu” of the monuments represented this aboriginal race. They were the ancestors of the Nubians. and were the ruling race of Egypt. Petrie in 1892 exhibited before the British Association, some skulls of the Third and Fourth Dynasties, showing distinct Negroid characteristics. They were dolichocephalic or long skulled. The findings of archaeology more and more reveal that Egypt was Cushite in her beginning and that Ethiopians were not a branch of the Japheth race in the sense that they are so represented in the average ethnological classifications of today.

Egyptians said that they and their religion had come from the land of Punt. Punt is generally accepted today to have been Somaliland south of Nubia. On the pictured plates at Deir-el-Baheri, the huts of the people of Punt were like the Toquls of the modern Sudanese, being built on piles approached by ladders. The birds were like a species common among the Somali. The fishes were not like those of Egypt. The wife of the king of Punt appears with a form like the Bongo women with exaggerated organs of maternity. This was a distinctive Ethiopian form. The king had the Cushite profile. The products carried by the wooly haired porters were ebony, piles of elephant tusks, all African products and trays of massive gold rings. Punt is mentioned in the inscriptions as a land of wonders. We find marvelous ruins in southeastern Africa that substantiate these reports. The inscription in the rocky valley of Hammat tells how 2000 B. C. a force gathered in the Thebaid to go on an expedition to Punt to bring back the products that made the costly incense of the ancients. The Stage Temple at Thebes showed in gorgeous pictures another expedition in 1600 B. C. We now know that Somaliland yielded the frankincense of ancient commerce, which was used in the ceremonials of all ancient kingdoms. Punt was called the “Holy Land” by the Egyptians.

In Egypt today, the most effective battalions are those commanded by black Nubians. In ancient ages the Egyptians followed the lead of the Ethiopian to battle and it is instinctive in them to do so today. Cushites were the backbone of the armies in the earliest ages. The Egyptian has no warlike qualities. It was the Cushite who was the head and brains of the foreign conquests. It was the Cushite element of the Old Empire that extended itself in foreign colonization eastward and westward around the world. Across Arabia and southwestern Asia, even to the central highlands, inscriptions and massive images in stone stand as voiceless witnesses that they were the commanders of the Egyptian armies and that the Ethiopian masses accompanied the soldiers as trusted allies and not as driven slaves. We must remember that in the early ages they were not a subject race but that their power as a great empire was at its zenith.

The Egyptian of today much changed from the ancient whom Herodotus called black, is content to live in a mud hut beside his beloved Nile. He is despised by the prouder Nubian, who saves his earnings to buy a home and piece of ground in his native Ethiopia. Reclus tells us that the dislike between Egyptians and Nubians is carried to such a great extent that the Nubians even in Egypt will not marry an Egyptian woman and that he refuses his daughter in marriage to the Egyptian and Arab. This could have come down alone front an age-old consciousness of superiority. He knows the proud traditions of his race. In books careless of ethnography, we find the Nubian classed with Semitic stock. They have no affinities at all with this race. Nubians are never able to speak the Arabic tongues gramatically. Nubian women are seldom seen in Egypt. They are the most faithful to the manners and customs of the Old Race. The Egyptian of today makes
little showings of ambition or the spirit for great deeds. He squanders his earnings upon trinkets and seems content in the same mud hovel in which the masses of Egyptians primitively lived.

Prichard recognizes two branches of the Nubians, the Nubians of the Nile and those of the Red Sea. In the age of Herodotus, the countries known as Nubia and Senaar were occupied by two different races, one of which he includes under the name Ethiopian; the other was a pastorial race of Semitic decent which led a migratory life. This distinction continues to the present day. The Red Sea nomadic tribes are extremely savage and inhospitable. The Nile Nubas or Barabra are the original Ethiopians. They are agricultural and have the old Hamitic traits. They plant date trees and set up wheels for irrigation. These are the Ethiopians mentioned in chronicles as possessing war chariots. Their allies were the Libyans. Semites at that age of the world had no possession of iron vehicles. Heeren says “that the ancestors of these Ethiopians had long lived in cities and had erected magnificent temples and edifices, that they possessed law and government, and that the fame of their progress in knowledge and the social arts had spread in the earliest ages to a considerable part of the world.”

Maurice, that reliable authority on ancient remains, declares, “The ancient Ethiopians were the architectural giants of the past. When the daring Cushite genius was in the full career of its glory, it was the peculiar delight of this enterprising race to erect stupendous edifices, excavate long subterranean passages in the living rock, form vast lakes and extend over the hollows of adjoining mountains magnificent arches for aqueducts and bridges. It was they who built the tower of Babel or Belus and raised the pyramids or Egypt; it was they who formed the grottoes near the Nile and scooped the caverns of Salsette end Elephante. (These latter are wonders of Hindu architecture.) Their skill in mechanical powers astonishes posterity, who are unable to conceive by what means stones thirty, forty and even sixty feet in length from twelve to twenty in depth could ever be raised to the point of elevation at which they are seen in the ruined temples of Belbec and Thebais. Those comprising the pagodas of India are scarcely less wonderful in point of elevation and magnitude.” (Maurice’s Ancient History of Hindustan.)

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The so-called Somalia state versus Somaliland

This piece of work is based upon the mere facts collected elsewhere from South East Asia, Greece, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and indeed the wonderfull Somaliland Republic.

For the failed state of Somalia all you can expect is confrontational rhetoric against everything, even this accredited Scientific research will be unheeded.

The only guts they commonly agree is plunder of the past, present and even their own future. That is why approximately ten years ago they created the so-called Mafia style semi-autonomous province of Puntland.

This dry region whic happens East-western Somalia is the imminent neighbour of Africas best kept secret or The Somaliland and more than that it is stronghold of War Lord president of Somalia`s TFG. The latter was area ruler when he just copied our way of functioning statehood may be positively but wrongly with plunder of the his name selection,because the name Puntland belongs to Somaliland and it is our historical ownership and label rights that can not be internationally endorsed.

East and west Somaliland is best

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Re: ATTN: Bro. Yao-Heru-Tehuti {ORIGIN OF ANCIENT ISRAEL/PHYSICAL AP

lamar perryman wrote:

Shalom El Hetep and Greetings,
To The Mambos, Queens and Princesses Of Traditional
Black Spirituality, To The Elders, Chiefs and Houngans Of Black Spirituality, To All Group
Members United Here in Our Struggle and Quest For A Common Identity and Union, and
To Bro Yao-Heru-Tehuti.
Contents

1. Semitic
2. The Anthropological and Ethnological Evidence
3. Akan
4. The Habiru/Apiru
5. The Avrahamic Peoples
6. Kana Yisrael As A Pharoanic State
7. Israel’s Ontology
8. The Archaeological Evidence
9. Overview
10. The Conclusion

( foreword : Bro. Yao-Heru-Tehuti, It is my suggestion that you read the evidentiary portions first and
then read Israel’s Ontology last. But Respecting your sagacity that is only a suggestion. The
materials gathered here in our discussions and elsewhere is to be the subject matter of a
larger volume entitled : The Egyptian And Aramaic Origins Of West Africans And Black
Americans. )

In order to faciliate the interests of scholastic aptitude for laypersons and academics alike I
shall set out what I believe to be The Philosophical Doctrine Of The Base in the discussion between You and I seek to help the understanding of all concerned.

I would like to start by addressing your present responses and also some of the ones from
your earlier posts and highlight some issues that are of important consideration even with
the present historical records and cast some light on the questions (s) posed by scholars
as to Who Were The Canaanite/Israelite/Hyksos People instead of just saying that it is not
known who they were. This, among some other things.
To get to the heart of your arguments again. In your first response you state again that
“there is no historical archaeological evidence of an “Israel” that matches up with the mythical writings found in religious text such as the Bible. There is evidence of a people
that the Kemetic peoples called “ysri ri”….though the peoples of Israel don’t have as many
interactions with any other people as they do with the Kemetic peoples.” [Note: To High-
light Something, that is precisely my point in my response And I might also add Sumer/
Chaldea as peoples that Ancient Canaan/Israel interacted with. End Note]……You state
“There is absolutely no historical connection that can be shown between any land or
people known as “Israel” and any people known as “Hebrew” or “Habiru”. [Note: The words
Habiru/Apiru is still in serious contention among scholars and at present simply means a
homeless person, a wanderer, a brigand, a street dweller or a criminal of some sort without
regards to race.!!! It Also Means They Who Have Crossed Over Meaning By Land Or The Rivers And They Who Have Come From A Certain Place To A Certain Place In The Lands And Countries Spoken Of, ( Egypt, Sumeria, Canaan ). It Is Also A ETHNIC DESIGNATION!!! End Note].
2. You hold to the view that all of the names given in the stele and defeated by the Kemetics are foreign city-states ( meaning foreign races to you, I suppose ) and that the
determinative for ‘Israel” is simply a foreign group of people ( also meaning a foreign race
or non-black peoples to you, I suppose ). You mention the punishment of Yanoam in
comparison to Israel being just as severe… [Note: Yanoam and Israel are Virtually Syn-
onomous as Canaanite People. End Note], and……The vast majority of the inscriptions on
the stele is actually about invaders from Libya [ I Note that this is True] ….They were the
most serious threat from the study of the inscriptions…[ Note: With that last statement I
most fully disagree. These campaigns were not conducted at the same time and Canaan's
rebellion seems to have been put down first and still fresh/recent in the minds of the
Kemetic inscribers from a reading of the inscriptions. End Note].
3&5. I have combined your responses in three and five for relation. You disagree that the
Stele proves conclusively that “Israel” were native indigenous Canaanites and that Israel/
Canaan as shown in the Stele is actually one single group of people representing their
Country. You disagree that we can tell who they actually were or are, to state: ……. we
cannot tell that they are an ethnic group from that one line….we cannot tell if they are
Canaanites from that one line or a people who invaded and assimulated Canaanite culture.
…. we cannot tell if they were black from that one line…..there is not much at all in reality
that can be discerned from that one line as to who those peoples were…… [ Note: All of
Canaan's Towns and Peoples received a one liner from the Egyptian inscribers of the
Stele. Also it has been noted and inferred by various scholars such as Drs. J.J. Bimson,
M.G. Hasel, Sigmuend Freud, C.G. Jung and Profs. C.A. Diop, Theophile Obenga, J.A.
Rogers, Frances Cress Welsing, Josef ben-Jochanan and others that it takes a long, long
time to assimulate the language, science, art, technology and customs of a foreign
superior culture and then make a appreciable contribution to it in terms of mechanical
usage. End Note].
4. And No. 4, in response to my position about there being no foreign racial groups that
were mentioned in regards to Canaan, period, You stated : “Actually all of the people
mentioned, not only in “Canaan” but also in Libya are mentioned as foreigners. Those
other city-states in Canaan that were mentioned all have the determinative symbol indicating
foreign city-states and “ysri ri” has a determinative indicating a foreign people…” [ Note:
I do believe that YOU ARE CONFUSING FOREIGN BY COUNTRY AND NATIONALITY
WITH FOREIGN BY RACE!!! There were some White/Indo-Oriental Foreigners mentioned
as Allies of Libya But No White/Indo-Oriental Foreigners SHOWN or Mentioned in Canaan
on the Stele And That is Why The Kemetics REFERRED to Two Campaigns in One Stele!
As I have said before, They KNEW who they were looking at and Dealing With!!! More will
be said on this later, though.!!! End Note].

I have subsumed all of your responses and assertions into one so that I may answer them all in toto.
My entire position on this matter is that The Black Peoples of Canaan/Israel/Phoenicia were all One and the Same
and That it is These Black Peoples who were and are none other than The Mysterious Hyksos that
have been called Semitics and Asiatics by Indocentric, Eurocentric and some Afrocentric authors
and scholars.!!!
The first issue that I must address is the word Semitic. Understanding this word and its usages is one
of the KEYS to understanding our subject matter. The Akkaddian Inscriptions calls the Name of
Shem/Sem as Semu or Shu-Mu. it is the name of a Person, a Peoples and a Country, Sumer.
We Have To Be Very Careful When We Use The Word “Semitic” because it originally
applied to Black peoples in Mesopotamia, Sumeria and The Indus-Valley of Asia. See The
Akkaddian Inscriptions, http://www.blackandchristian.com/articles/academy/djones-02-07.shtml;
and http://www.earth-history.com/Babylon/Myth/mba17.htm. This is for your contention in an earlier
post that no historical person named “Shem” ever lived because of the lack of a historical
inscription to that effect outside of the Bible. As to Sumer and Shem, once again, from the
Mesopotamian view we look South. It is certain now that the peoples of Mesopotamia called
themselves Sumerian because they descended from and venerated the Orisha/Irumole/Imole
Person called SHU by the Egyptians. The very word means to derive from, to proceed from,
without regards to politics or religion but RACE. It also means an Act, An Event, A Social
Movement, such as the peopling of The Mesopotamia from Nile Valley and Indus-Valley
populations. Going further as to originality we are told by Prof. Amelineau and Prof. Cheikh
Anta Diop that the Orisha/Irunmole Ausar/Osiris was a True, Living Person as well as the
other Orisha/Imoles and Prof. Diop notes that the “God’s” head and other sacred parts were
found in four canopic jars at Abydos.!!! See The African Origin of Civilization, Myth or Reality.
Among these Nile Valley groups were the Akan/Kanaan peoples whose original home appears
to be Kenya as this Country still bears their ethnic name to this day. The origination of these peoples
must then have been Southern and Western, Nubian and Dravidian, which is to say South Africa
before many African/Asiatic Groups of Black Peoples assumed their own Ethnic/Tribal
Identities, Lands and Regions.
I submit that the first group of Nile Valley and Indus Valley peoples who settled the Mesopotamian
region ( Iraq, Canaan, Arabia ) were venerators of the Irumole, Imole, Neter SHU and so
named the land, its peoples, language and culture after their Patron Orisha. Even to this day
Black Hebrews refer to Black Jews as Shema Israel. The language of Canaan is called Semitic
( meaning Sumerian, Akkaddic, Ugaritic, Hebrew and ARAMAIC ). It is an Afro-Asiatic
language and is NOT Indo-Oriental or Nordic European. The language system of Black Asia
( The Dravidian Indus-Valley ) is conclusively shown to be Dravidian/Tamil/Kali/Dalit. The
Indo-Orientals/Indo-Aryans have no language system but that adopted from the Tamil system
is Vedic, Sanscrit and Hindu. The Dravidian is the Original Indigenous Asiatic Black Man and
Woman ( The South-East Asian Indian and Australian Aboriginal Type! ).
The original language system of Caucasians is the Nordic, Scandinavian, Teutonic, Celtic,
Germanic, Caucus and a corrupted bastardization of these tongues called Slavic! We also
note that Semitic referred to the Blacks of Asia First and Their Language and after that to
Japhetic Indo-Oriental and Caucasian peoples who adopted and spoke the language afterwards
and that is the SOLE origin of the word, land and peoples called Shumitic/Semitic!!!
See Semitic/Semitic Languages, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic.
With this one single fact we can clearly begin to explain the times of Canaan, its provincial
state periods under Egypt and Sumer, its Nationalistic periods of Independence and Regional
Rule as Canaan, Israel, and Phoenicia, its rise and fall and the reasons therefor. Also with this
one single fact we can begin to set straight the Confusion of the Torah/Tanakh Records of
The Sumerian Hebrews and The Egyptian Yewes by the Western European and American
State/Church Academic Establishments!

The Anthropological And Ethnological Evidence

For purposes of clarifications throughout this treatise ( and for rebuttals, if any ) I will proceed
first to IDENTIFY the peoples now known to the World’s State and Religious Academia as the
HAMITICS and the SHEMITICS. See Gen. 10: 6-32 ( The Western Torah, miscalled The
Christian Holy Bible ). In the beginnings of Man’s Evolution on the earth as the Human Life Form
we all know that there was only ONE Homogenous race of peoples. A critical fact long over-
looked is that there was two (2) different groups of these peoples. One group was dark-skinned
with Woolly-Hair and called Nubian. The other group was dark-skinned with Straight-Hair and
called Dravidian! See An Authentic Anthropology, by Prof. Cheikh Anta Diop,
http://www.africawithin.com ;and Dravidian India, by Prof. T.R. Sesha Iyengar,
http://www.saxakali.com/southasia/dravidian_india.htm .
Both appear to have originated in Southern Africa. The Nubian is The Biblical
Hamitic and The Dravidian is The Biblical Shemitic as well as The Original Asiatic Black Man and
Woman. Eighty 80% percent of our Human History is the Story of These Two (2) Groups of Black
Peoples with THEIR MANY, MANY ETHNIC, TRIBAL, SUB-TRIBAL DIVISIONS AND
INTERMIXTURES.!!! And now for The Paleontology of Ancient Israel.!!!

The Anthropological and Ethnic evidence will best be considered by giving the four (4) Ethnic-Tribal
Groups and their societies which form the basis, origin, developement and actual peoples called the
Canaanites, Hebrew Israelites and The Black Jews. They are:
1. The Sumerian Hebrews, The Igbo (Ibo)
2. The Egyptian Yewe, The Ewe
3. The Akan of Canaan, and
4. The Colchin of India, The Indus-Valley
Outside of biblical text the evidence shows that the Patriarch Abraham and his Wife the Matriarch
Sarah were of Sumerian Dravidian descent. His Great-Great-Great Grandfather is Eber. Eber is
nothing more or less than an Igbo/Ibo man. Whether Eber was a Nubian Man or a Dravidian I
cannot tell but the record bears out the fact that there was much, much intermixing between these
two black groups in the Middle East, Iraq and Arabian Peninsula for long, long, long periods of
time before, during, and after Abraham’s migration. We ALL, laypersons and scholars alike, appear
to forget sometimes that all of the groups mentioned in Nubia-Egypt and Sumeria-India were ALL
Ethiopian Peoples. In other words and to be more specific, Nubians and Dravidians.!!!
See http://wysinger.homestead.com/chronology.html
( Early Dynastic period, Dynasties I and II; The “Ethiopians”
according to Diodorus Siculus); and a History of The Ancient Black Races Including The Black
Hebrews, by Prof. Rudolph R. Windsor ,
http://www.amazon.com/Babylon-Timbuktu-History-Ancient-Including/dp/0962088110 .
In all of my treatises in this Thesis I have presented the ONE VIEW that the Canaanite Hebrew
Israelites and Black Jews were the product of the Intermixing of The Nubian and Dravidian Black
Peoples, The Biblical Hamitics and Shemitics. As to the antiquity of the four (4) tribes of peoples
in Sumeria, Egypt, Canaan, India and Mesopotamia See Chayah bayith Elowahh,
http://www.freewebs.com/radah/index.htm; and The Archaeology of The Bible Lands, by Magnus
Magnusson, B.C. http://www.earth-history.com/Various/Canaanite-Gods.htm; AND Ephramite
Forum-2, Other Peoples: Canaan, Ghana, Uganda. http://www.britam.org ; AND Igbo People,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_People.

The Egyptian Yewe, Ewe or IU are mentioned in Egyptian historical texts and it is from this tribe
of Peoples that we get the very word JEW. It is well known now by laypersons and scholars that
Hamitic and Shemitic language systems contain no letter “J”. The use of the letter “j” came about
as a translation of hamitic and shemitic tongues into Caucasian alphabet that uses the letter “J” such
as the English language. The word Iu, Iue, Yewe and EWE evolved into the word Jew as a matter
of the translation of languages and That Alone is the Whole Matter of the modern english word
Jew. It STILL MEANS the Yewe/Ewe peoples that the word describes and comes from as these
peoples were and are the Original Jews to start with.!!! I also submit that the very word HEBREW
is from the union of these peoples dialectical tongue from their biological intermixture as a socio-
ethnic group. The word Ibo or Igbo as Eber and the word Iu, Yewe or Ewe being conjoined to
form the Ethnic word : Hebrew as IBRI-EWE or IVRI-YEWE. I believe this very, very, very strongly.
The Ewe/Yewe peoples as a whole describes their Origins as being from the lands of EGYPT and
SAUDI ARABIA. I also Highly Note that Joseph I ( Yuyasof I of On ) was born in PADAN-ARAM
TO HIS FATHER YAA’KOV-HER ( The Supplanter ) AND TO HIS MOTHER RACHEL THE
EWE.!!! He married ASENATH, the daughter of Potipherah, High Priest of the fabled City of On,
later celebrated as the Greek Heliopolis. ON is the Fabled Egyptian City of The Sun. The importance
of this will be seen later as we go on. He was buried in SHECHEM. I believe the word Shechem has
hamitic and shemitic implication and derivation from the reasons described herein. See The Ewe,
http://www.hoasogli.com ; The Africans Who Wrote The Bible, by Dr. Nana Banchie Darwah,
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/forum8/HTML/000994.html ; Ancient Egyptians Wrote The
Holy Bible, by Dr. Kwame Nantambu, http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/2007/04/09/black-people-wrote-the-bible ; Gerald Massey, Ancient Egypt, The Light of The World, pgs. 474-498.
BUT SEE
http://www.destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32821; in which Bro. Keita presents the opposing
view.

CANAAN

Because of its importance to our discussion here, the Land and People of Canaan will be dealt with at
length. My point is that it is the Country that all four tribes mentioned came into one as a Socio-Ethnic
Group and Nationality. I begin this by identifying the Geographical Area of Ancient Canaaan from their
historical records and those of Egypt and Sumeria. To state: Modern Day Israel, Jordan, Lebanon,
Syria and Saudi Arabia. This region was called the Retennu, Sirion and later on the Levant by Egypt and
Sumeria. The importance of this description will become clearer as we move on. See Canaan, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan ; http://www.wikinfo.org/wiki.php?title=Canaan ; and http://www.answers.com/topic/canaan?cat=travel ; and http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/CAL_CAR/CANAAN_CANAANITES.html.
Bro.Yao, to elaborate on what I will present in this treatise I submit that the Hurru, Mittani, Hatti etc.,
WERE ALL Black Peoples of The Societies of Nubia, Libya, Egypt, Sumeria and India, The Indus-
Valley. Going further on what Profs. Cheikh A. Diop, Ivan Van Sertima and Josef ben-Jochanan has
said, until we see the societies of Nubia, Egypt, Libya, Canaan, Sumeria, and India as RELATED
Nations and NOT Isolated Societies we will continue to be as CONFUSED abour OUR Origins and
Ancestors as Caucasian and Indo-Oriental scholars are about THEIRS and OURS. This, My Brother is
The Philosophical Doctrine Of The Base in our discussions and Debate. To further illustrate what I am
saying here let us view a map of the Ancient Near East during these times. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Near_East ; and Maps of The Ancient Near East, http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/aneancientmaps/a/ancneareastmaps.htm ;( Especially Asia, The Indus-Valley Civilization ).
Bro. Yao, in one of my prior treatises in this thesis I told you that the conflict between Canaan, Egypt
and Sumer was not just Political, Religious and Ethnic but also Scientific! I will state a list of Canaan’s
accomplishments and then I will proceed to show just who the Canaanites/Hyksos/Israelites truly were.
The Archaeological record from about 3000 B.C. shows that :
1. The Canaanites were the first mercantile nation in the world, the very first to use coins and paper money
(papyrus) as currency !!!
2. Their Political units were the very first Federated City-States in the world ( Ugarit, Aradus, Tripoli,
Ursalima (Jurusalem), Batrun, Byblos, Beirut, Sidon, Tyre, Raphia ( the first one ) and others ).
3. They recorded much (not all) of their history and system on papyrus (paper) which they also used in
the schools and business system.
4. Among the first to have a Merchant Marines and a Regional Navy with sophisticated warships.
5. Introduced the War Chariot into Egypt, Sumeria, Libya and surrounding Countries. The Canaanite
Chariots were made of Iron and equipped with Shields.
6. The Mortuary Science was sophisticated in both cremation, mummification and burial techniques.
7.Among the first to found a Agricultural based food, textile, chemical, clothing, industrial and medical
system from the land.
8. The first in the Art of Air Travel by way of the Gas Air Ballon which later gave way to our modern
Airships called Derrigables.
EGYPT AND SUMER DID ALL THESE TOO BUT CANAAN HAD PROGRESSED TO THE
FOREFRONT.!!!
9. The first peoples to fuse Egyptian Hieroglyphics and Sumerian Cuneiform into one language to create
a Phonetic Alphabet (Aleph-Beth) and Mathematical system called ARAMAIC on which all other Modern languages have been based upon since then. This language system appears to be much, much
older than 5000 years.!!!

AKAN
The name Amurru, Amorites, Amar, Aamu and Amu is synonomous with Canaanite. According to
biblical archaeology Genesis 10:16 indicates that the “Amorites were descended from Canaan but they
must have intermarried with Semitics at a very early age because they appear as a SEMITIC people in Near
Eastern references to them. Their origin is something of a mystery, but they probably arose not too far
from the Syro-Palestine region, perhaps in the northern euphrates area. We know that Amorite mercen-
aries were used in overthrowing the Akkaddian empire of Sargon I, about 2200 B.C. Thereafter they
invaded Mesopotamia and established themselves there; the Hammurabi Dynasty (1830-1550) was
Amoritic. From certain artistic representations we may conclude that they were entering Egypt as traders
by 1900 b.c. The Amorites occupied an area in Trans-jordan as well as in Canaan. Numbers 21:21
speaks of Sihon, King of the Amorites, and Joshua 10:5 lists the towns of the Amorite league: Jerusalem,
Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish and Eglon. Probably they occupied the hill country while the Canaanites lived
in the lowlands of Palestine. At one time the Amorites controlled an extensive area in Mesopotamia, Syria
and Palestine”. Genesis and Archaeology, pgs. 88-89, by Dr. Howard Frederic Vos.
Let us view some other matters that Dr. Vos comments on. On Abraham’s Identity, Dr. Vos states that
recently the idea has been advanced that Abraham was not merely a powerful Patriarch but a Merchant
Prince. In this Dr. Vos cites Cyrus Gordon who concludes ” the patriarchal narratives, far from reflecting
Bedouin life, are highly international in their milieu, in a setting where a world order enabled men to travel far and wide for business enterprise…. Abraham comes from beyond the Euphrates, plies his trade in Canaan, visits Egypt, deals with Hittites, makes treaties with Philistines, forms military alliances with Amorites, fights kinglets from as far off as Elam, marries the Egyptian Hagar, etc” and simply admits that
this shows the Patriarch Abraham to be much more than the Bedouin nomad that scholars a generation
ago thought him to be. pgs. 51-54. On the Garden of Eden, The Flood, and their many similarities Dr. Vos states: ” That there was such a place of perfection may be reflected in the Sumerian account of the
land of Dilmun. He cites both Pritchard, who believes Dilmun was the Island of Bahrein in the Persian
Gulf, and Dr. Samuel Noah Kramer who locates Dilmun in the Indus-Valley, p.19, as well as the view
that Sumeria’s Mesopotamia is the original home of the Hebrews”, p.43.
On Genesis 14 Dr. Vos writes : ” the assertion made formerly that travel was not so extensive in the
patriarchal period and that Mesopotamian ( Sumerian ) Kings did not control the area must now be
discarded. The expeditions of Kings of Elam and Babylonia appear in different light when we learn, for
instance, that as early as 2300 b.c. Sargon of Akkad ( near Babylon ) made raids on the Amorites of
Syria and Palestine. Hammurabi himself claimed that his empire extended to the Mediterranean. Of
particular significance for the present study is the fact that prior to Hammurabis’s rule in Babylon, Kudur-
Mabug, an Elamite King of Larsa ( north of Ur ), claimed to be “prince of the land of Amurru” ( Palestine
and Syria ). Furthermore, a wagon contract found at Mari in the Middle Euphrates region and dating to
the patriarchal period gives as one of its conditions of rental that the wagon shall not be driven to the
Mediterranean coastlands, hundreds of miles away. Dr. Vos also comments on the discovery by Albright
of a line of buried cities along the legendary Highway of Kings. These cities dated to the Early Bronze
(3000-2000 B.C.) and Middle Bronze (2000-1500 b.c.) Ages. Also identified was the town of eastern
Gilead, Ham, Ashteroth Karnaim in southern Syria, Kadesh-He ( along with many others ) with Ain el
Qudeirat in the Sinai Peninsula. pgs. 66-73.
On Joseph ( Zaphnath-Paaneah; Yuyasof I of On ) as Prime Minister or Pharoah Vizier of Egypt, Dr. Vos observes : ” First, it is clear that the Egyptians did not consider the Hebrews to be part of the Hyksos
movement. When the Egyptians drove out the foreign overlords in the 16th century b.c., the expulsion did
not involve the Hebrews”. Again : ” Critics used to doubt the possibility of a Palestinian slave’s rising to
such high position in Egypt as scripture says Joseph did but archaeological investigation has provided
several interesting parallels to this occurrence. A Canaanite, Meri-Ra, became armor-bearer to Pharoah;
another Canaanite, Ben-Mat-Ana, was appointed to the high position of interpreter; and a Semitic,
Yankhamu ( Jauhamu ), became deputy to Amonhotep III, with charge over the granaries of the delta,…
In commenting on the position of Jauhamu, who some believe officiated in the region of Goshen, Price
observes ” to him the Egyptian subjects in Canaan-Syria appealed in case of necessity, as he was the
high official of the Egyptian Government for that foreign state. He had all power to respond to the appeals
for grain in exchange for silver, wood, or even the sons and daughters of the buyers. The position of
Joseph as Commissioner of graneries in Goshen ( Gen.47:13 ff ) and his authority to retain the sons of
Jacob ( Yaa’kov ) as hostages remind one of the position of Jauhamu”. pgs. 101-108. Genesis and
Archaeology, by Dr. Howard Frederic Vos, 1963.
Bro. Yao. I have reprinted some of the conclusions in this book to Illustrate again the Truth and the
Modern Confusion on the subject here. Dr. Vos, a Caucasian scholar, was at least truthful to what the
evidence showed and did not show and was sensitive in his comments on race and religion in the book.
He also admitted the confusion of scholars on the Identity of The Canaanites, Hyksos, Semitics and
Habiru!!! Of course Anthropology, Archaeological research and Afrocentric Academia has shown and
proved much since then but to my knowledge has not said who the groups mentioned truly were in a
definitive sense.
The Canaanites are SIMPLY the Akan Peoples of Egypt’s Nile Valley and Sumeria’s Mesopotamia as
the many Tribal/Sub-Tribal groups throughout the region who descended from them along with the Igbo
Colchin and Ewe as a common ethnic group and CALLED THEMSELVES and their land KINAHHU.
The Hyksos and Semitics ( Amu, Aamu, Asiatics ) are SIMPLY The Black Dravidian Peoples of Sumeria, India and Canaan among them The Ibo ( Igbo), Ewe, Akan and Colchin.!!!

THE HABIRU/APIRU

Because the meaning of the word Habiru is “still” in contention among Scholars I will present my own
view of the Ethnicity and Race of the peoples called Hapiru. This will digress from our earlier discussions
on the Hapiru. By all accounts it is certain now that the term hapiru/apiru referred to peoples who were
homeless, outcasts and downtrodden at that time. In other words street peoples. The same goes for
sag’gaz, a robber without regards to race.!!! The promblem is solved in Sumeria and Egypt when we look
at where this underclass dwelt at. They erected large homeless camps near the edges of forests, deserts,
lakes, streams and along the banks of The Rivers. It is certain now that these peoples worshipped the Life
Giving Spirit of The Land, the River God HAPI. They, the lower class of Hyksos, also dwelt at the Deltas and by the Red Sea, being peasants, servants, prisoners and street peoples. This River, The Nile
(Hapi) and its deltas also being the home of Apophys-Set-Typhon, the Crocodile Gods, and Ipi. In
Sumeria the same is Enbil-Ulu. These peoples in the areas were no Indo-Orientals or Caucasian foreigners
but the Egyptians and Sumerians OWN UNDERCLASS being mainly Canaanites with poor Egyptians,
Libyans, Sumerians and Nubians included. It is also a known fact and no secret that Egyptian/Sumerian
peoples and dynasties had many of these peoples as house servants and field slaves. For all of the talk
about “crossing over the Rivers and Red Sea” these are the Hapiru/Habiru so-called from their veneration
or worshipping at that time of the Spirit of The Nile, a favorite of the oppressed and downtrodden, The
River God HAPI.

THE AVRAHAMIC PEOPLES

These are the peoples, the descendants of ABRAHAM, who produced Isaac ( Yitzhak ), Jacob
( Yaa’Kov ), the 15th to 16th dynasties of Ancient Egypt, the Nation-State of Kana Yisra’el, and its
connections to the 18th dynasty of Ancient Egypt. I also note the fact that their native presence was
attested to in Ancient Egypt as early as the 13th Dynasty.!!! In order to explain the 18th Dynasty of Ancient Egypt it is helpful if we look at the 15th to 16th dynasties and the formation of Kana Yisra’el
as a socio-ethnic and political group. The names of the Hyksos Kings are unquestionably Canaanitish.
As the Akan, Igbo, Yewe and Colchin groups began to coalease in the region of Canaan, they all
originating from a common background and bond, along with the minor substrata of other various small
tribal groups ( the mixed multitude of the Torah and Biblical records ) we see the people of Canaan as
Israel finally take shape as a Nation. One of the reasons for this is that the 15th to 16th Dynasties were
THESE CANAANITES themselves. It is important to note that the timeline for Canaan/Egypt’s most
important events concerning Israel is from 1650 to 1150 b.c.e. It is especially important to anaylyze the
time period for the 15-16th dynasties for this is when the Patriarch Jacob ( Yaa’Kov, the Supplanter )
appears. Jacob is called Yaa’kov-Aru, Yaa’kov-Her and Yaa’kov-Baal. The founder of the 15th Dynasty
was Salitis ( also called Shalik, Saites and May-Ebre Sheshi, literally translated as MAH-IBRI-SHE-ISHI.!!!), and the last King of this dynasty was Auserre Apophis I ( Ausar-Re Apophys I ). In other
words these Canaanites were the Self-Styled Pharoahs of the Delta, Canaanite and Arabian Peninsular
regions. It is said that Yaa’kov-Her had 12 sons by the Matriarchs Rachel, Leah and the Matriarch
Mistresses Bilhah and Zilpah. It it also a fact that Canaan had 12 Tribes. The CONFUSION results from
modern scholars giving the family names of Each Son as the Tribal names itself of each group. And these
were the 12 Sons of Yaa’kov that settled in each of the lands and territories of the 12 Canaanite tribes.
The 12 Sons and their Wives were SIMPLY the heads of these 12 Canaanite families, clans, groups and
Tribes of peoples in Canaan. As time went on from the earliest periods, their names and the Canaanite
tribal names became synonomous and identical. That is what happened there. That is all.
On Joseph ( Zaphnath-Paaneah; Yuyasof I of On ) again, I believe that Joseph was a Pharoah Vizier
under his Father Yaa’kov-Baal of the 16th Dynasty. When comparing the historical records from the
ancient texts to modern theoretical interpretaions it is interesting to note the similarities and differences as
told by academia of all schools. They make it so confusing, perplexing and non-common sensical at times.
In my opinion it would seem to me that Joseph was not just “sold” into slavery but was bartered, ransomed, captured and/or taken as a political prisoner-of-war (after all, they were at war with the
southern dynasties and others in that day and time) and his release was effected by BOTH Official
Diplomatic and Spiritual means. I also note that in the Book Joseph And Asenath, Ase-Nath, his wife to
be, already a Queen Princess at this time looked MORE LIKE A DAUGHTER OF THE HEBREW
ISRAELITES ( Read : Canaanite/Hyksos/Israelite ) than any of the other women belonging to the various
socio-ethnic tribes making up the population of Egypt in that day and time. I submit that Joseph was a
Pharoah Vizier of the 16th Dynasty ( called Hyksos ) under his Father Yaa’kov-Her and simply
ascended the throne after the death of the Partriarchal Pharoah. Again, See Joseph and The Hyksos, http://www.freemaninstitute.com/Gallery/joseph.htm, echoeing the same conclusions reached by Dr. Vos
and others that the “expulsion of the foreign overlords” by the Southern Theban Dynasty did not include
the Hebrews. However as Dr. Vos admits, western academic scholars were labouring under the
“assumption” ( Academic Theory ) that the Canaanites/Hyksos/Israelites were different ( non-black,
non-native ) groups of peoples or a foreign race of people altogether which is the view that you presently
hold also Bro. Yao. Again I propound the fact that there is not a shred of anthropological or archaeological evidence to support your theory.!!!
See Joseph In Egyptian Historical Records,
http://www.answers.com/main/ntq-tname-joseph-warton-fts-start-o; and Jacob-Baal,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_dynasty_of_Egypt ; and also See Genesis, KJV : Chap. 44: 1-34 ; Chp. 45: 1-28 ; Chp. 47: 1-31 ; andChp. 48: 1-22 ( Where The Land of Egypt and Canaan are VIRTUALLY INDISTINGUISHABLE ) !!!
All of the anthropological, archaeological, ethnological and linguistic evidence supports the fact that the four tribes mentioned herein ARE the
peoples known as the Hebrew Israelites and Black Jews. After much intermixing in the Nile Valley and Mesopotamia ( Egypt, Sumer, Canaan )
Canaan is the land where these four groups, already ONE, merged into a Nation as a Socio-Ethnic Group with a NATIONAL, INDEPENDENT,
SOVEREIGN IDENTITY. And that is how a SOCIO-ETHNIC GROUP AND A NATION IS BORN!!! The evidence supports the fact that
these Indigenous Canaanites are indeed the peoples of the book. Using this as our primary ideology here, let us approach the finding and
identification of the Israelites from the Egyptians OWN words in describing them and what they called them in the Middle Kingdom and Early
New Kingdom period and see just how easily we can find Israel in Egypt again and again and at almost every single turn. They called them
SYRIANS and referred to Canaan-Arabia as The RETENNU and LEVANT. This as we can easily see was a RACIAL as well as a Geographical
Classification, Retennu meaning Blacks but not of Egypt but the Akinahhu of The Land of Canaan. To put it plainly the Hyksos peoples was
nothing but these peoples and the Rulers, Chieftains, Nobles and the powers that be of Canaan ( along with the other small groups of Libyan,
Sumerian, Nubian and Indus-Valley populations that were present among them ) as evidenced and described by the SUMERIANS AND EGYPTIANS THEMSELVES. !!! See Joseph, The Alignment of The Chronological Records, http://www.lordbalto.com/neros/ .
They were also referred to as the WEARERS OF THE LOCKS ( you know, as in plaits, braids, sidelocks, Dreadlocks ). The Merneptah
Stela clearly DEMYSTIFIES Ancient Israel rather than MYSTIFY them. ( I myself have always known that the Stele itself is the
Incontrovertible Proof of the Black Canaanites who were denoted as Israel by none other than themselves and their Sister Nations, Ancient
Egypt and Sumer every since laypersons and scholars alike have tried to use the Stele to Prove or Disprove the existence of Israel as a
Canaanite Ethnic Group for quite, quite, quite some time now !!! heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ). See The Merneptah Stela,

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a015.html.

Once again, for what a Native Canaanite looked like in the fifteenth century b.c. to 70 A.D. to present, See Harpers Bible Dictionary, pgs. 151-153, First Edition, 1985 ( Description : Canaanite Dignitary
with arm raised in salute; Bronze Plaque from Hazor, Fifteenth Century B.C. : The Canaanite Official in
this Stele is a very black person, extremely dark-complexioned. He wears undergarments similar to our
modern day clothing over which there is a Robe. In the olden days these Officials often wore a circular
ribbon about their upper body with Aramaic language and Adrinka symbols inscribed thereon denoting the
rank, country, station and function of the dignitary. This clothing is identical to West African Clothing today
called KENTE CLOTH. ), And, to further Drive The Point Home > See Rabbi Mordecai Abi Serour,
History of The Jews of Bilad el-Sudan ( In Fact, Read The Whole Article and The References in it ),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_of_the_Bilad_el_Sudan_%28West_Africa%29 ; and this one too, The
Igbo People : http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Igbo_people.; Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt, pgs.
174-175, by Margaret Bunson. The Hyksos/Israelites were no “new race and/or new people”. Egypt
called them SIRIONS, Sumerians called them ARAMEANS and Manetho himself called them ARABS
and PHOENICIANS. These Canaanite peoples were indigenous to Canaan, Sumer and Egypt. See
Handbook to Life in Ancient Egypt, pgs. 87-89, by Rosalie David ; Ancient Syria, http:ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_syria-ancient.htm ; And Hyksos ; http://www.imninalu.net/Hyksos.htm ;Hyksos,
http://www.messiah.org/hyksos33-1.htm ; http://www.freewebs.com/jwest/Hyksos.html ; And Hyksos,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/hyksos.

KANA YISRAEL AS A PHAROANIC STATE
The 15th to 16th Israel dynasties were the basis, origin and developement of the Canaanite State of
Israel as a Independent, Sovereign Pharoanic State. After their expulsion from North Egypt in 1567 by
the Southern Pharoah Ahmose I ( Kamoses ) they withdrew again to Canaan. Still Canaanites continued
to play a large role in the Egyptian dynasties and society. In continuing the socio-political drama this leads
us up to the famous 18th dynasty of Pharoah Akenaton and his Vizier, The Priest-King Osarseph ( The
Tetmoses Osarseph or Tetmosi Osar-Yuyasof II of On ) better known as the biblical King Moses.
Yes, Bro. Yao. What I am saying is that the Chief Dynasties of The Canaanites were the Amurru and
the 15th to 16th Dynasties of Egypt were the Proto-Israelite and Israelite Dynasties who sat on the Thrones of Ancient Egypt as they sat on the Thrones of Mesopotamia also.!!! To understand this better
See The Prophecy To The Avrahamic ( Abrahamic ) Peoples. Western Torah, Gen. Chap. 17: 1-27 ;
Chaps. 16-17 ; and Chap. 25: 1-23.
However we are concerned now with the Administration of Akenaton ( Amonhotep IV ). It seems that
after the Theban southerners drove the Canaanites back into Canaan they oppressed the Hebrews still in
Egypt and made frequent incursions into the Land of Kanaan. But again, a Canaanite family rose to power
in the 18th dynasty of Egypt in the person of Pharoah Tetmoses Osarseph. [ Note: To explain the Pharoah/Pharoah Vizier King Tetmoses Osarseph ( also known as Yuyasof II of On, Damoses and
Tamoses ) the name SEPH or SOF MEANS descendant of Joseph, ( Yuyasof I of On, Zaphnath-Paaneah ), Ephraim, Manesseh, Benjamin and Judah whom the Levites lived among and intermarried with in Goshen, North Egypt. A practice which Pharoah Tetmoses discontinued as he assigned the Levite-Zadoks a special status when he withdrew ALL Hebrew Canaanites back into their own native land within their own national borders, named it Kana Yisrael, and established himself as the First and Founding Pharoah of Kana Yisra'el's First Dynasty with Joshua as the Pharoah Vizier or Prime Minister. This was The Second Exodus. A voluntary one. The first dynasties were A COLONIZATION OF NORTHERNKEMET/EGYPT BY THE HEBREWS. Now, the first exodus or expulsion of the last Kings of the Israelite 16th Dynasty in North Egypt and the attempt by southern Kemetics to REMOVE ALL TRACES of the CANAANITE presence WAS because that was the first and only time in its native history that KEMET had been COLONIZED, albeit an INTERNAL ONE.!!! Phr. Tetmoses, in founding a Independent Canaanite State, had to deal with native elements loyal to the southern dynasties, Sumeria, and selfish ones out for their own power, resettle the 12 Canaanite Tribes, and write The First Democratic Constitution.The Constitution of Man and Woman, The Torah.!
This is the BASE of the stories about Phr. Tetmoses and Joshua's wars with the Egyptians and hostile
elements in native Canaan. He and Joshua oversaw all of this along with the High Priest Aaron and Matriarch Queen Miriam. Pharoah Tetmoses also lived for 120 years beginning his work at the age of
40 !!! End Note ]. He made the final break with the southern Theban dynasties after Akenaten’s death,
re-established Canaan as a Independent State as Kana Yisrael and begin Judaism according to the
Patriarchal Command as the Native Culture.This is the Whole Story of the Exodus and The Mosaic-Joshua Dynasty of Ancient Kana Yisra’el in Canaan, more or less. This is ALSO for the unleavened,
half-leavened, half-mixed, half-baked Hebrew Israelites in CERTAIN GROUPS and Individuals with
street level, race-based so-called “Knowledge” who are teaching the Lie that Judaism ( YAHUDAISM )
is a Japheth Russian/Caucasian Ashkenazi “invention”. There are Hebrew Israelites, that just like other
Black peoples, are not prepared to accept and face the Facts of Israel and its True History. Having been
De-Culturized for so long they do not understand the real and true meaning of what it means to be the Hebrew Israelites. That will be addressed in Israel’s Ontology. See The Moses Mystery, The African
Origins Of The Jewish People, by Gary Greenberg ,
http://www.amazon.com/Moses-Mystery-African-Origins-Jewish/dp/customer-reviews/15597223 ( Go To: Look Inside Another Edition Of This Book for an Academic Introduction ); Ahmed Osman, http://ahmedosman.com/home.html ; Moses In History, http://www.ufaqs.com/wiki/en/mo/Moses.htm
Hyksos, http://www.1911encyclopedia.org ; http://www.answers.com/topic/hyksos ; Osarseph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osarseph ; Breaking News: Man Named Moses Declares “Set My People Free!” Leads Gang Of Hoodlums Into Wilderness, http://www.culturekitchen.com/categories/moses ; The Origin of the Jewish People and the Land of Canaan, by David Storobin,
http://www.globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=1765&print=true ; And, http://pub34.bravenet.com/forum/2860232918/fetch/988322 ; AND Genetic Evidence : West African/SubSaharan Peoples Are The Original Canaanites, Israelites And Arabs,
http://globalpolitician.com/articledes.asp?ID=851&cid=2&sid=71; And The Israelites Were Pharoahs of Egypt, page 1, by Ralph Ellis, http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread165852/pg1 ; And,
http://www.dailygrail.com/node/672 .

Also See
The Original And Only Amorites Were Black Canaanites, The Mount Zion Assembly Of Yah,
http://members.tripod.com/zionofjah/id33.htm ; And,

http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/2007/08/19/the-original-arabs-were-black-also.

ISRAEL’S ONTOLOGY
To begin with I will give the definition of Ontology : The branch of metaphysics that deals with the nature
of being ; a particular theory about the nature of beings or the kinds of existents. I have heard it said by modern Caucasian Greek scholars, Indo-Arabs and Black Egyptologists the Hebrew Israelites/Black Jews worship a Demiurge. Scholastic conjecture COULD NOT be better than this. Let a layman person
enter the FRAY here. I will give you the old magical Hebrew formula for determining “a God” and THE
GOD. Let us apply this formula Right Here! The first one is Linguistics with its ETYMOLOGY ( Etymology MUST be applied because languages can be corrupted, badly Translated and falsely Transliterated ! ). The other two (2) are FUNCTION and PLACE. YAH/YAA, the Sole and Supreme
Creator God has descended down to us as OM-YAH, AMYN-YAH, and EL YAH from Nubia-Kush
( Nubi-Yah, Nabi-Yah ), Indus-Kish ( Indi-Yah, Indu-Yah ) and Sumeria ( Semeri-Yah, Shemi-Yah )
from Time immemorial. YAH was known in Egypt ( Kemet, Kemi-Yah ) as YHUH, HUHI ( NOT AS
LAH ), in India as OYM/OM, YAA/YOM/YAM, Sumeria as ELYON ELYON EL, meaning The God,
The God, The Great God, in Nubia as AMYN, AYM, AMN and AM, The AMEN, and in Canaan as
EL YAH, The God who is Known but Unknown. This is why YAH was and still is taught by word and
thought only, The Sacred Three/Four Letter Word of The Ancestors!!! YAH is not Interchangeable and
Transliterable with Lah.!!! ( The “Y” is only transliterable as O,A,U,I BUT is equivalent to the First Three
Only as “O”, the SYMBOL of the Cosmos, All in All, The ALL ONE ). The LAH of Egypt directly
descends to us today as identically Lah, meaning the MOON and el-El or al-Al, meaning “a God”,
literally translated as AL-LAH, The Moon God. Also See ALLAH, The Moon God in the form of a
person as DUMUZI, The Sumerian Messiah, Shepherd King and Shepherd of Men equal to the Egyptian
Tehuti ( All the Kings and Priests were called Shepherds of Men by The Ancestral Nations, NOT just
Egyptians and Hebrews ! These Are Facts Without Emotion, Hate or Sacrilege Also. Just THE FACTS ).
http://www.geocities.com/garyweb65/sumgods.html .
No such translation exists for YAH and IAH is a corruption of LAH, NOT YAH !!! If IAH is proposed
or theorized as a corruption of YAH it is a badly disconfigured one.Now, even PTAH is a form of YAH
as PTYH, PTHY, and PTYAH.!!! YAH is the Hebrew Israelite word for Supreme Being and Creator
God. That is All ! ( Compare Meroitic-Egyptian Hieroglyph, Tamil-Sumerian Cuneiform and Aramaic
Ugaritic Hebrew !!! ) .
2. Place : YAH could not be a form of Tehuti or he a form of YAH because YAH is First and Tehuti was
merely a messenger, teacher, guide and initiator into the various Religio-Spiritual systems of that day and
time. Second of all, YAH is the Aramaic Hebrew word for Ideal, Divine, Cosmic, Transcendental, The
Universal One. The same meaning as YAH has Today for YAH changes not. Third of all, YAH can not
be a “Moon God” or “a Tehuti” for YAH has no Images or Representations. It is said and taught that YAH
dwells in the Thick, Thick, Thick Darkness. A Ontological term for The Melanated Essence of the Cosmos
and ALL. Even today Israelites have no artistic representations and images of YAH and no else does either !!!
Fourth of All, YAH was known and worshipped in the Secret Societies by the High Initiates Only and Only
By The 3 Letter and 4 Letter Sacred Secret Word of The Ancient World.!!!
3. Function : The Supremacy of YAH as EL YAH in the Canaanite Pantheon is well illustrated in several,
numerous instances where the Orishas, Neters, Anunaki, the BAALIM of Israel , the “lesser Gods, Lords
Deities or SPIRITS” Have to go to YAH to get permission for to do just about almost anything, whether it
be good, evil, or to bestow a favor, curse, or impreesion upon someone especially if that person ( Man,
Woman, Child ) be loyal and beholden to YAH or be given a destiny by YAH or Not bothered at all.!
I will give 3 instances from the Torah/Tanakh and bring this part to a close about YAH’S Supremacy in
Hebrew and World Ontology !!! See Holy Tanakh/Bible, Book of Job ( Iyyob ), Chap. 1: 1-22 ; Numbers,
Chapters 22, 23 and 24 ; and I Kings, Chap. 22: 1-53.

And Now for the HARD Part. Hard because Indigenous Black Spiritualists and those of Organized
Religions Do Not Want to Accept WHAT IS AND IS A FACT !!! Now, to explain The ROOT AND
BASE of ANCESTRAL JUDAISM. In Israel, the word for Yoruba-Dogon-Kemet and Dravidian Tamil
Indian Orishas, Anunakis, and Loas IS BAALIM AND ELOAS. The basis of Judaism in its origins and
and developements is nothing but Traditional Black Spirituality of Africa and Asia known as VODUN.!!!
And Black Evolutionary Science known as ANIMISM. Our Ancestors Have Always Taught us that
this World Of Nature is Just AS Important, Alive and Diverse as is The World of Spirit. This System of
Culture IS BOTH MATRIARCHAL AND PATRIARCHAL BEING MATRIARCHAL FIRST. !!!
The Teaching of Judaism comes from The School of MELCHIZEDEK, THE ANCESTRAL SPIRIT
OF KANAAN BENE YISRAEL, Just as Osiris is The Ancestral Spirit of Egypt/Kemet and Enlil The
Ancestral Spirit of Sumer, This MELCHIZEDEK, A CANAANITE KING AND PRIEST OF THE
MOST HIGH GOD ( El Yah ; YHVH The El; Elyon Elyon El ) whom Our Patriarchal Father Abraham Met and gave Tithes, Supplication and Ancestral Veneration to. This was before The Patriarchal Father
married his Matriarchal Mistress, Mother Hagar, Our Mother Also. Matriarch Hagar is Agar, A Agaritic or Ugaritic Woman, A CANAANITE! And that is Also why Patriarchal Father Abraham ( ABBA’ HAM ) is ALSO called The Father Of Ham.!!! There also goes out the Door and Window
of Truth “The Lie of The Mythical Curse On Canaan” INSERTED into Our Torah/Tanakh
Records by Roman, English, Indo-Arab and Russian Ashkenazi “White Jews” Academia!!!
To Illustrate on BAALIM again : The Neter SHU in Egypt, The Anunaki SHU in Sumeria, is
to the Canaanite Hebrew Israelites : The BAAL SHEM or BAAL SHU-MU. A word that HEBREWS still use today to refer To Our Origins. He is the Brother of Ham ( Who is OSIRIS ), Anu,
Enki, Enlil and others. The word Baal in Hebrew means a Lord of The Land .
Because This Treatise is to Promote Unity, Love, Peace and Harmony I will set out how Black Hebrewism and its Culture Judaism is to be viewed and defined by. Judaism has No Law of Coercion
whether by Force or Guile!!! The Most Critical Fact, LONG OVERLOKED, is That ALL Black
Spiritual Systems SHARE a Creator-God Concept surrounded by a host of lesser Spirits. Judasim should be seen as ALL African Religions and Spiritualities such as Egyptian Amenism, Sumerian Anuism, Indian
Brahmanism and Buddhism, Orisha-Ifa, Santeria, Candomble, Sectarian Christianity and Sectarian
Theocratic Islam PURIFIED and STRIPPED of The Multiplicities. The multiplicities that causes conflicts
and DIVISIONS. We believe that YAH, through Pharoah Tetmoses, preserved YAH’S name through all
generations.
Hebrew Spirituality and Mystical Judaism should be viewed as a UNITY system. In commenting above on the relation that we all SHARE of a Creator-God and lesser Orishas, Loas, Deities and Spirits Hebraic Spirituality and Mystical Judaism teaches that the SPIRITS, if they be True and Real, are all a part of and function of God (YAH) and not SEPARATE from YAH. Just as one Cannot separate a Ray
of Sunlight from its Source, The Sun. For this reason these functions of God (YAH) are called ELOHEEM. This is the context that Hebrew Spirituality and Mystical Judaism should be viewed in by
Traditional Spirituality and Orthodox Religions.
For Messianic Hebrew Israelites who look to a Messiah, the belief, veneration and practice of a Divine
Virgin Mother who gives Birth to a Son who IS THE MESSIAH coming to SAVE His People for Their
GOD IS JUST AS OLD AS THE CREATOR-GOD CONCEPT among ALL the Afro-Asiatic Peoples in the World to this day. I am a practicing Mosaic Messianic Hebrew Israelite because I KNOW that there is No DIVISION in Our Scriptures and that BOTH Moses and Yashua lead to the same ONE : YAH ! And That Is ISRAEL’S ONTOLOGY !!!
For Hebrew Israelites in this Age of Increased Knowledge, The Scientific Technological Age, when
beset on all sides by psychological and material coercions, made to feel that Hebrewism and its Culture
is borrowed, or made to think that Judaism is a Inferior Spirituality, YOU NEED NOT BE DISMAYED.
Hebrewism and its Judaism is quite the contrary and its Effectiveness has been Time-Tested through our
ANCESTORS and US! In The Darkest And Finest Hour That Is When YAH is There.
And that, My Bro.Yao-Heru-Tehuti, and all others concerned is The Ontology of Israel!
See Biblical Beginnings In Ancient Egypt, ( A Very, Very Good and Interesting Site When One Knows How To Read It, Whether Black Egyptologist, Sumerianist or Hebrew ; Scroll To Jehovah and
Read The Portion About HUHI=IHVH=YAH and then Go To RE HPRW NEB translated as the GOD
OF ALL HEBREWS. The Text Never Gets Away From The ETERNITY and COSMIC BEING OF
HUHI=IHVH=:YAH No Matter how Many Persons, Moon Images and Human Beings That YAH is
Associated With !!! In Fact Hebrews and All Others Should Read This. As For Languages ALL of The
Ancestors LANGUAGES DID NOT COME FROM EGYPT AND HAD THEIR OWN MEANINGS
AS WELL and Their Is MUCH ARAMAIC HEBREW That is UNTRANSLATABLE and UNTRANSLITERABLE TODAY AS IS EGYPTIAN, MEROITIC, SUMERIAN AND DRAVIDIAN
TAMIL SCRIPTS ….. !!!!!!!! . See : http://home.austarnet.com.au/calum/egyptb.html ; And The Names Of God In Judaism, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism.

Bro. Yao, When You Are Finished With That, NOW SEE : CHILDREN OF YAH : PRESENTING THE Anthro-Archeo-Bioethnic-ONTOLOGICAL EVIDENCE THAT BLACK HEBREW ISRAELITES ARE THE FIRST PEOPLES IN THE AMERICAS NORTH AND SOUTH ALONG WITH THE HAMITIC OLMECS AND HEBREWS WERE A MAJOR PART OF THAT
CIVILIZATION TOO AS SHOWN BY DR. CYRUS GORDON, MAJOR MORDECAI MANUAL
NOAH, WHO DIRECTS THAT THE BLACK JEWS OF INDIA AND AFRICA SHALL HAVE AN EQUALITY HERE AS NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS AND DR WELLS JAKEMAN, WHO,
WHILE TRYING TO PROVE THE BOOK OF MORMON, ACTUALLY PROVED THAT BLACK
AMERICANS OF OUR SAME TYPE HERE TODAY WERE THE PEOPLES HERE FIRST !!!!!!!!
See http://www.childrenofyah.org/name_of_god.htm ; http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/bomworld.htm ;
http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MA/nilesre1.htm ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Stirling ;
http://hope-of-Israel.org/hebinusa.htm ; Then See : Afrocentrism, 4. African as a race,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism ; I Rest My Case on The Universality of Hebrew Israelites and
YAH.
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AFRICAN WOMEN IN AFRICAN CIVILIZATION

INTRODUCTION: THE GREAT BLACK MOTHER

Africans were the first to inhabit the earth. Fossil records as well as DNA analysis give scientific evidence to support this fact. Therefore, the first woman to give birth was a Black African woman. It is from us that all humans have come. The other races of humankind all evolved from Black Africans.

Ancient Africans had a deep-seated respect for women. Charles Finch in the book Echoes of the Old Darkland explains that early man did not know the link between sex and birth. Therefore, it was believed that new life was created by the woman, the mother alone. It was perceived that all life in nature emerged from women ALONE. Therefore when the first concept of God was developed, the female served as the model of the Supreme Being. Finch explains how it was under this initial Matriarchal System that the first rules and taboos to govern human behaviour were articulated. Another important contribution of ancient woman can be seen in the fact that as the gatherer of grains, seeds, roots berries and plants to the group, we had the opportunity to observe how seeds sprout when they fall in the ground. This observation led to the practice of organized cultivation. It was the woman who probably developed the practice of purposeful cultivation. This may have happened as early as 15,000 BC. It is the practice of agriculture that made population expansion, food surpluses and community settlement possible.

It is not known exactly when the role of the male in procreation was discovered, but this discovery did not enhance the status of men much until the necessity of men became clear in war and conquest. The vital role of men did not lead to an imposition of the male on the female, rather it served to enhance the principle of duality evident in creation. Males and females were seen as complements to one another and a harmony between the two was necessary for harmony to continue on earth. Therefore, it was seen as prudent and wise to ensure the well being of both men and women if the successful survival of humans was to continue. The respect for women was reflected in society and the seriousness and consideration women were given. In Egypt and Kush the importance of the mother was seen in the facts that the children took their surname from the mother and that the mother controlled both the household and the fields. In Kush, the Queen Mother had the right to choose the next Pharaoh. Prior to Islamic conquest of sub-Saharan Africa in the 12th and 13th centuries, the system of succession to the throne was matrilineal. Cheikh Anta Diop in his book Pre-colonial Black Africa explains that in the African custom of matrilineal succession, very strict rules were observed which stated that the heir of the throne was not the king’s son but the son of the King’s first-born sister (the king’s nephew). This is because, as an African proverb states, ‘ You can never be sure who the father of the child is; but of the mother you can always be sure. The brilliance of this logic cannot be missed. This saying underpinned the rationale many African societies used to ensure that conference of power and titles of leadership were reckoned through the mother’s line. This matriarchal foundation of African society meant that respect for women was woven into the very fabric of society. Women had numerous important roles and functions to carry out, many of which conferred a great deal of power and respect to them. The erosion of the status of women occurred gradually but was significantly exacerbated and hastened by foreign invasions, particularly colonialism.

Unfortunately, most people, Africans and non-Africans alike, assume that the current status of women in Africa is reflective of their status in ‘traditional African societies’. This is wrong. The status and power of women in Africa in antiquity and the pre-colonial period was significantly healthier than it is today. Therefore, referring to the second-class citizen status of African women today as ‘traditional’ is erroneous and must be rectified. Africans cannot afford to continue thinking that traditional African societies perceived women as inherently inferior creatures and thus sidelined them from positions of power and influence. In this article we will look at some of the roles, functions and related power that African women had before the onslaught of colonialism. In later articles we will look at how colonialism in particular led to the erosion of the power and status of women in African society. This article is by no means exhaustive but instead seeks to provide a brief overview of the role of women in traditional African society. The article will close with several examples of exceptional African women who transformed their societies and the world.

AFRICAN WOMEN’S ROLE IN SOCIETY AND GOVERNANCE

Economic roles

In traditional Africa, women had recognized and vital roles in the economic development of their communities.

Among the Kikuyu of Kenya, women were the major food producers and thus not only had ready access to land but also had AUTHROITY of how the land was to be used and cultivated. Therefore, the value of women’s productive labour in producing and processing food established and maintained their rights in the domestic and other spheres. Nowadays, although women still are major food producers either directly or through employment, they do not receive the recognition and respect that they used to. Colonialism profoundly negatively affected the role and status of women in African society.

Moreover, in much of pre-colonial Africa, bridewealth gave women a certain amount of economic independence and clout. In the past, African women in some societies retained a measure of control over their bridewealth which economically empowered them to a certain extent. Sadly, with the new financial constraints experienced by males due to colonialism, especially in the form of heavy taxation, bridewealth became a source of income that males sought to control. Thus, once more, women were excluded from a cultural prative that had previously given women some measure of economic independence.

Among the Egba of Nigeria, women were the economic powerhouses of the nation due to the trade and market system they had developed. Among these people from West Africa, women dominated the trade and merchant exchange of goods of their communities. Women were responsible for a number of things including: setting the rules of trade among themselves i.e. market taxes and tariffs; organizing and managing the market system; agreeing on lucrative terms of trade with outsiders; holding meetings to discuss how to improve their trade and marketing system and more. These women had a highly developed business acumen which they used for the economic upliftment of their community. Keep in mind that many of these women were taking over their businesses from mothers or aunties of the same profession. Therefore, the economic knowledge they implemented had been honed for centuries. In short, they knew what they were doing. To this day, women still dominate the local market scenes in Africa but almost none can be found in the ‘formal’ Westernised economic institutions that have developed in Africa since independence. Perhaps the absence of women, and thus the absence of ancient African economic knowledge is contributing to the LACK of economic organization and power in many African nations.

Spiritual Roles

In ancient Africa, women were often the most powerful spiritual figures in the land. Women were often in charge of the spiritual systems in their communities. This group of female spiriual leaders were a select group, and not all women were allowed to join the ranks of spiritual leadership. Nonetheless, women dominated the positions of spiritual and religious power in most African traditional societies. These were responsible for announcing dates and times of ceremonies, rites and rituals. These women were oracles, spirit mediums, knowers, seers and advisors. These women had the power to place and remove curses.

African people are known for their spiritualism and the seriousness with which they take religion. Therefore, we can see how a dominant feminine energy in the spiritual sphere helped to ensure that women were respected in society.

Political Roles

We will begin with a intimate type of governance system used by African women. In parts of pre-colonial Nigeria, newly-married women of a given town would form an organization designed to look out for their interests and those of their families. Among the responsibilities of this body was the governance of their husbands! If one of the members came to the group with a serious and valid complaint about the behaviour of her husband, the group would find this man, confront him with the allegations and keep and eye on him until his behaviour improved. This method was highly effective because it did away with the often destructive and frankly, Western notion, that a marriage (or a serious relationship) if only the business of the two involved. This system of inter-personal governance ensure that BOTH the man and woman were accountable to each other and treated each other with respect and dignity.

In terms of macro-political organization, in the past, most African societies had a dual sex political system which allowed for substantial female representation and involvement in governance and administration. The position of Queen mother seen across Africa in Ghana among the Akan, Egypt, Uganda, Ethiopia and Rwanda but to name a few, gave women prominent and visible political authority in running the nation.

In most cases the Queen Mother was older than the King and was biologically related to him. She often had her own land, from which she gained revenue through tax and her word was law on the land she owned. She had her own courts complete with courtiers and staff. It is only through her courts that decrees, especially death sentences, made by the King could be annulled. Therefore, although the King had the technical power of the lives of those in his kingdom, the Queen Mother could often give someone back their life.

The Queen Mother among the Akan of Ghana also had very important role in terms of ensuring the well-being of the women and children of the nation. Therefore, she and her staff were responsible for designing and implementing the educational system of the land. As you can see, the nation was entirely comfortable with the Queen Mother and her staff being in control of the structure, organization, some content and day-to day running of the educational system which ALL their children were affected by. We as modern African women should remember that not too long ago the minds of all nation were moulded by the vision women.

Often the Queen mother also in charge of childbirth, coming-of-age and marriage ceremonies.

In some nations, the role that the Queen mother played was also played by the King’s wife. For example among the Baganda of Uganda, the Kings wife had considerable power. But usually, the King’s wife either had as much power as the Queen mother but usually had less.

A very important role that the Queen Mother, and sometimes also the wife of the King, had was that of either selecting or endorsing the King’s successor. In some cases, the Queen was responsible for nominating the King’ successor and it was up to her to convince a panel of advisors to agree with her choice. In other cases, other people nominated the King’s successor and only with the Queen’s consent could the heir-select be allowed to rule.

Women also directly ruled many African nations. We should remember that this was the exception rather than the rule. However, women did rule their nations. At the end of this post you will find a list of women from whom we can draw inspiration, courage and self-confidence. Many of these women were Queens. African Queens had supreme power and authority over all inhabitants of her Queen-dom. Her word was law and no man or woman could defy her. She had supreme military, political, spiritual and economic power.

In the book Black Africa, Cheikh Anta Diop explains bicameralism, a type of governance some of our ancestors used to rule their people. Before Africa was under the dominance of any foreign powers, women had a position of influence in society. In African bicameralism, women participated in the running of public affairs within the framework of a women’s assembly. This assembly sat separately to the man’s assembly but the two shared influence and power. The resistance against foreign invasion and occupation of West African nations such as Dahomey and the Yorubas is said to be a result of the women’s assembly meeting at night. African bicameralism allowed the blossoming of both males and females and allowed the full use of both the feminine and masculine mind. Bicameralism is an ancient example of African democracy that put full to use the human resources of society in a manner that supported and encouraged everyone.

THE LEGACY OF AFRICAN WOMEN

These stories are taken from the book In praise of Black Women by Simone Shwarts- Bart and seek to give us all concrete examples of the power, scope and nature of African women in the past. African women should NEVER accept being told that they have done nothing. We have created religions, resisted invasions, raised kings and more.

Lucy

Humanity was born in Africa, Black Africa to be precise. In 1959 two palaeontologists dug up the skull of a human like being dated to be 1.75 million years old. The place of the discovery was Olduvai Gorge in Tanzania. In 1974, at the same location, they discovered Lucy, a 3 ½ million year old fossil of a small woman. This young African woman, Lucy, may be the womb from which all humanity came.

Queen Tiye

Little known today, Queen Tiye is among the women who have most marked history. 3,500 years ago she was the wife of the Egyptian Pharaoh Amenhotep III. Queen Tiye’s beauty was legendary, but her personality was even more powerful. For her pleasure the Pharaoh built a new palace for her in Thebes (now called Malkata). He also dug her a lake in the middle of the desert, just to please her. The revolution in Egyptian art dates back to her rule. Her influence on the Pharaoh was so great that she seemed to the supreme authority in the empire.

When the Pharaoh died, Tiye’s son Akhenaton came into power and it was during his rule that Queen Tiye took action that has most decisively marked history. Up until then Egyptians, like many others, were polytheists, they saw the world around them as governed by several gods. But suddenly, under Queen Tiye’s influence, the Pharaoh proclaimed for the first time in human history, a single God-Aton. This reform may have inspired Moses to establish the monotheism that has since spread all over the globe. So today when people pray to God in a church, mosque or synagogue, they may be, in some way, under the invisible influence of Queen Tiye.

The Candaces

The kingdom of Kush so renowned and honoured in ancient times was headed by Queens know as the Candaces. The Black Kingdom of Kush was born about 3,000 years ago and lasted until 350 AD. In the year 750 BC, the kingdom expanded north along the Nile and conquered Egypt founding the 25th dynasty, the illustrious dynasty of the Black pharaohs.

However in 666BC the Assyrians invaded Egypt and defeated them. The final battle took place in Thebes which the Assyrians burnt to the ground.

Tautaomon is the name of last black pharaoh to rule Egypt, he fled to Napata (Maraw) after the fall of Thebes. Napata was then the capital of the Kingdom of Kush. Of the Queens of Kush, the Candaces, two names stand out. The first is Amanireans, the Queen of Kush when the Romans followed the Nile south after the defeat of the last Pharaoh Cleopatra. She is described as a ‘very masculine woman who had lost an eye in battle’. Masculine probably meant courageous. Remembering her Pharaoh ancestors she went down the Nile to meet the Romans and defeated them at Aswan where her soldiers broke all of statues of Emperor Augustus. Although the Romans formulated a counteroffensive in the form of a strong army that stormed the kingdom of Kush up to Napa, it failed. This army was thoroughly humiliated by Amanireans and her army. The Roman army was withdrawn back to Egypt. Finally giving up the conquest of Kush, the Romans suggested that Candace ask for peace which the Emperor Augustus granted.

The second Candace is mentioned in the Bible in Acts 8. The story explains how the apostle Philip heard a voice telling him to go to Jerusalem from Gaza. On his way he met a eunuch, who was a Minister to Candace ‘Queen of Ethiopia’ (Kush was called Ethiopia by this time). The story goes on to detail how Philip told the eunuch of ‘the good news of Jesus Christ’. The eunuch was baptized and went o back to Kush filled with a desire to share the news he had been told. It appears that Candace was the first in Africa to embrace the faith. As a result Christianity went down the Nile reaching the area we now call Ethiopia. The biblical Candace and Amanrenias, the brave lady with the missing eye, give us a glimpse into our buried African past.

Makeda- Queen of Sheba

The story of the Makeda is recorded in the Bible in the second book of Chronicles and the first book of Kings. Makeda had learnt of the wisdom of Solomon and went to Jerusalem to test it with riddles. The Kebra Negast, a 14th century book of legends of Ethiopia says that the visit of Makeda lasted more than six months. At the first sight of Makeda, Solomon was struck by her miraculous beauty and he said in his heart ‘May God bless me with offspring through her’.

On the day of Makeda’s departure, Solomon had gifts loaded on 6,000 chariots for her alongside a vessel to travel in the air. He begged that if a child should be born of their union that she send him home to Jerusalem and give him a ring so that the child be recognised. So Makeda went back to her country where she gave birth to child and named him Ibn el Hakim: Son of Wisdom. When the child grew up, Makeda gave him the ring and sent him to visit his father. The child was 22 years old. In Jerusalem, crowds gathered in the streets surprised to see someone who looked so much like Solomon. Some people thought he looked even more like his grandfather David. During his stay in Jerusalem, the young man was adorned and consecrated a king in the Temple of Jerusalem. This is how he became Menelik I, the first king of the famous dynasty of the Lions of Judah, the last of whom was Negus Haile Selassie, the last Emperor of Ethiopia.

Sarraounia- The panther queen

In the 1890 a French colonial operation was planned whose mission it was to force the submission of an empire along the bend of the river Niger. Lieutenant Voulet and Captain Chanoine were the colonial officers in charge of this mission. The Voulet-Chanoine mission met with success as they spread death and ravaged the villages they took. It was in 1899 that they would go on their final and fatal expedition to Chad. It was there that they met a woman, Sarraounia, the queen who opposed their bayonets with the strength of her soul and the white man’s tricks with the traditional magic of Africa.

Sarraounia’s father was a warrior who had distinguished himself from the those who were hungry to sell black men. He had become the king of a small territory of the Azna’s. Sarraounia’s mother had died giving birth and it was thought that her child would follow her to the grave. But the little child with her pinched mouth and clenched fists opened her eyes and revealed shining yellow eyes; the people recognized the sign of the panther. The Azna’s always knew that they been born of a panther, and it was this animal which was sculpted in front of their houses, embroidered on their clothes and was their symbol among the other tribes. Panthers are made for the bush and the panther child soon learnt how to use a bow and arrow. She learnt the secrets of ‘hyena’s ear’ a poison that gives arrowheads merciless power over everything that breathes. She was the king’s daughter and she went with men as she pleased, but never wanted a child clinging to her breast. Sometimes she would disappear for weeks at a time and they said that she would talk to the spirits of the Shadow who taught her all the secrets of good and evil, the elixirs of power and wisdom and the plants that kill and those that bring back life. This is how she became Sarraounia, daughter to the king, sorceress, great dame of the Shadow.

She was 20 when was brought to the throne due to her father’s death. At the slightest danger, she would be at the head of her troops, her pales eyes shooting lightening. Her silhouette became legendary. Then a rumour made its way to her: a column of white men were marching east, devastating everything in their path. Sarraounia immediately sent messengers to her Muslim neighbours suggesting that theyunite against their common threat. The Muslims did not even bother to reply: you don’t make alliances with the seeds of slaves. So Sarraounia had a fortress wall built around Lougou, her capital. She smashed open the granaries and sent the women, children and old men to safe places in the bush. The warriors waited while the queen applied an ointment on them that was supposed to stop bullets. Then having hand-picked a group of archers, the silent warriors, she slipped into the tall grass to seek out the enemy. When night fell, a cloud of arrows from nowhere threw the Voulet-Chanoine expedition into a state of chaos for the first time. The next day 150 porters were missing at roll call and a dozen native infantrymen had deserted preferring to wander in a strange land that confront Sarraouina. The troops enter a deserted city. Another arrow flew in sky and shouts rang out, a woman’s laughter was heard: that was the beginning of the end for the French force. Day after day Sarrounia harassed the divided and crippled column until one of her warriors brought now Chaoine with a rifle shot, while Voulet was slain further along. That was the end of their adventure.

The capital kingdom was rebuilt, but new French soldiers followed those who had died and the traditional cunning of the Azna people could not sustain them. Eventually a French flag was raised in the middle of the great court of Lougou and the queen shut herself up in the shadows of her palace. One day at the end of a fiery hot afternoon, a yellow-eyed panther burst out of the throne room and disappeared into the bush. Sarraounia was never seen again.

Ana de Sousa Nzinga

In 1860 the Scottish missionary David Livingstone reached the old Portuguese stronghold of Luanda. Bare stairs, cells and shackles told of the horrifying recent history here. As he reached a courtyard he saw the imprint of a woman’s foot engraved in stone. When he asked whose it was an Angolan man declared it was the imprint of the great Ngola Nzinga who had set foot in this courtyard 300 years ago.

Ana de Sousa Nzinga was born in 1581 in Basa the capital of the kingdom of Ndongo, a land ruled by leaders called ngolas. During this time the Portuguese were advancing towards Ndongo with the aim of converting them as they had the peoples of Kongo. However, the greatest treasure in the minds of the Portuguese were the very people of Angola- the black ivory- slaves.

Ngola Karensi, Ana de Sousa’s father, had thought about the European effect on neighbouring Kongo and decided to bar missionaries from his country. War is waged against him for this decision. This war will last more than 40 years, until his very last breath. On the King’s death, power falls into the hands of his oldest son Ngola Mani a Ngola who raises an army of 30,000 men who he intends to put to fight against the Portuguese. Ana de Sousa Nzinga, the amazon and warrior considered the greatest political mind of her time plans to join them on the battlefield. She realizes that their traditional lances are no match for the Portuguese guns and points this out to the king in a council meeting saying, ‘My dear brother, your warriors are many, but their chests are bare; if you go this course, your defeat will be that of the whole nation’. Furious, the king has the throat of Nzinga’s only son cut and has her sterilized some say using red hot pokers while others claim they used scalding water.

A few months later after having been defeated again, the king begs Nzinga to negotiate a peace agreement with the Portuguese governor of Luanda. Since she speaks Portuguese and has studied their customs, ways of thinking and military strategies, Nzinga agrees to go though she cannot forget her dead son and ruined womb. But the lamentations of her people give her the conviction she needs and so she sets off for Luanda. She enters the white’s fortress accompanied only with a few of her fellow women. At that moment, trying to test her, the governor fires a 21 gun salute. But the princess already knows the sound of the white man’s music and she enters the fortress without blinking an eyelid. She crosses the courtyard where her step leaves an imprint in the stone as she makes her entrance into the main reception room. The room is full of armed men. All the way from the back of the room the governor signals her to step forward, but still wishing to embarrass her, he has not prepared a seat for her. She gestures to one of the women who kneels and Ana de Sousa Nzinga sits upon her human throne. The governor rudely asks her what the conditions of her surrender will be to which she replies, ‘I represent a sovereign people and I am ready to continue this conversation only on that basis.’

A few months later in 1623 a peace treaty is signed between the kingdoms of Angola and Portugal. But Nzinga knows the tricks of the Europeans and is still determined to fight in order to protect her people from the slavers. On her return home she jails her brother and proclaims herself ngala.

The passage of time proves Nzinga was right about the Europeans. The peace treaty lasts the space of only a dream and soon the Portuguese are moving deeper into her kingdom. Though she suffers setback after setback she fights until the very end. For 30 years she will fight to win her homeland. She will return blood for blood and slaughter for slaughter, all to save her people from slavery. She dies at the age of 84 without having been able to rebuild her homeland but she is still remembered as the woman who lost many battles but never lost the war. Ana de Sousa Nzinga lived a queen and died a queen.

Bibliography

1. Shwartz- Bart, Simone. In praise of Black women. Texas, Modus Vivendi Publications, 2001.

2. African Women in history course

3. Diop, Cheikh Anta. Precolonial Black Africa: A comparative study of the political and social systems of Europe and Black Africa, from antiquity to the formation of modern states .New York, Lawrence Hill Books. 1987

4. Mbiti, John. African religions and philosophies. Nairobi, East African Educational Publishers, 1969.

5. Ehret, Christopher. An African Classical Age: Eastern and Southern Africa in World History 1000BC to AD 400. Virginia, The University Press of Virginia, 1998.

6. Finch, Charles. Echoes of the Old Darkland: Themes from the African Eden. (Georgia, Khenti Inc. 1999)

Previous comments on this post

ziwani said…

Great respect to the phenomenal women you highlight, it is a great read. In addition another woman ruler occcured in the Shilluk kingdom around the early 18oo’s. She was ruoth Abudhok Bwoch and effectively ruled the Shilluk kingdom in current northern Sudan. The shilluk Kingdom is a branch of the ancient Luo nation, part of which settled in Kenya.

9:44 PM

Ms K said…

Hey great blog you have here.

I just wanted to ask, what’s your reason for spelling Africa with a ‘k’. I’m sure there’s an interesting story behind that.

3:04 PM

AfricanSunset said…

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3:42 PM

Afrikan Eye said…

Thank you for your comments…
@ms K…Afrika with a ‘K’ because that’s how it is spelt in Kiswahili…also signals a break from the ‘Africa’ that has been created by the West…Westerners have created an idea of ‘Africa’ in our heads that misrepresents our history and tends to belittle our legacy, who we are, our achievements/ contributions and our potential.

4:11 PM

giovanni.dicristofano@tin.it said…

dear Afrikan Eye, we hope you will soon post the second part of ‘African women in civilization’. Some question now..
1) can I republish your posts in my (penniless for now) webzine http://www.strudeltimes.it ?

2) can you upgrade ‘African Women in..” adding tales, stories, so on ?

And last but not least, I have a dream (yep). Even if I am just a white male, my ambition is an international respectable webzine. There is a column ready for you, think on it . Thanks gdc

10:23 AM

Afrikan Eye said…

Will soon post the next spiel…effects of colonialism on women as well as other great examples of Afrikan women
@gdc Thank you for your encouragement Will soon holla at you. in peace!

11:48 AM

AfroFeminista said…

I love this! I’m no fan of historical writing, but this, this was just so inspiring! Proving that there was a time when women and men were held in equal regard by a society not tainted by patriarchy borne of displacement, colonialism and globalization!

Thanks for sharing this!
I’m adding you to my blogroll – fasta fasta:):)

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A very well-researched essay on the real story of African women in Ancient Times. Very enlightening. However, the grammatical errors were distracting. To learn more about this topic, I intend to read some more essays on this website.

Monique said this on April 12, 2007 at 12:49 am

Thank you for your comment and I’m delighted that you’ll be doing your own research to learn more.Sorry about the typos and stuff…I’ve worked on it abit..hope it helps.

Afrikan Eye said this on April 12, 2007 at 7:48 am

Thanks for this great and inspiring work! More grease to your elbows

Spice said this on August 2, 2007 at 9:26 am

“”Africans were the first to inhabit the earth.””

This statement is nonsensical. Africans were not the first to inhabit the earth. Those who you are erroneously refering to as Africans were actually a different species called Homo Erectus. And they were the only humans (beings of the genus Homo) to EXIST on the earth… anywhere…for a while.

And when you say Africans were the first to inhabit- That means, grammatically, that Africans came…and then later other races. And that the comming of other races was secondary and somehow seperate from the coming of Africans.

But all races of Homo sapiens evolved from Homo Erectus at the same time and so all first began to inhabit the earth simultaneously.

“””Therefore, the first woman to give birth was a Black African woman.”””

Again, nonsensical. A “Black African” woman is a Homo sapiens, evolved from Homo erectus, evolved from Australopithecus.

Homo erectus evolved from Australopithecus in what is now Africa. So at first Homo erectus existed only in Africa. Then later Homo erectus migrated from Africa to Europe and Asia, then beyond. Homo erectus then evolved into Homo sapiens. This evolution occured wherever Homo erectus lived. Not just in Africa but also in all the other places of the earth. So Homo sapiens women gave birth all over the world basically simultaneously. Homo erectus evolved into Homo sapiens all over the world at about the same time.

“””It is from us that all humans have come. The other races of humankind all evolved from Black Africans.”””

No. I mean no insult, but no they didnt. All races of mankind evolved from Homo erectus. You could say that Homo erectus WAS “Black Africans” but that would be incorrect. A “Black African” is a Homo sapiens with dark skin, as is common to the Homo sapiens that evolved from Homo erectus in Africa.

“Black Africans” and Homo erectus are two completely different species. All races as they are today came from Homo erectus evolving in different climates…and so creating slight variations in the species Homo sapiens.

This is all knowledge gained by fossil records and DNA analysis. As you cited for your statement. Since you used those very things as proof of the correctness of your statement, I dont see how you can argue against it. If you DO argue against it then you will also be arguing against the very validity of your statement in the first place.

~is grinning widely~ I can be a tricky son of a gun cant I? I am beginning to greatly enjoy our mental fencing. Though in this one I think I have you.

I would comment on the rest of your essay but I havent read it yet I’m afraid. I’ve been up all night and I’m very tired. I will read it though and look forward to doing so. I skimmed through it and saw mention of Kush. I remember first reading of Kush, the great ancient civilization south of Egypt and being transfixed. Up until that time I hadnt even known it existed. Anyway I’m particularly looking forward to reading that part.

Plz read and respond to the next section of this as seperate from this first part. Thanks.

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The Concept of a Female God

A lot of men find that concept threatening. I dont at all. The idea of a nurturing-loving mother god smiling down on me is a beautiful and comforting thought.

Though if you acknowledge a female god. Logically, (I repeat..using Logic) you must also acknowledge a male god. For a god would not, nor any living creature, be a female if there was not a male counterpart. If there is no male then there is no need to be female. Living beings that reproduce without a male…or without a female…are called asexual.

So, logically if you believe in a male god you must also believe in a female god. But two thirds of the world (christians) believes that god is male and that there is no female counterpart, in defiance of logic.

And most who believe in a female god refuse to believe in a male god, in defiance of logic. And most likely for the same reasons males deny a female god. Because a single god who is a male only is threatening to women. The idea of a supreme being, the sole divine being, being female is comforting and empowering to women in a world where many women are denied power.

Either way. Its illogical.

My personal opinion…I dont care. I believe in a Supreme Being. But what do I care whether that being is male or female? I believe god is a being of love. That is all that matters to me.

I personally suspect that god has no gender. Why would a divine being such as god need sexual organs, or anything the like?

And why would a being of such great intelligence be hindered by only one personality type- male or female- How can an omnipotent being have only one point of view? By its very nature an omnipotent being would possess ALL points of view.

And if not omnipotent…then why would at least an unfathomably intelligent being adhere to only one point of view?

That is my belief anyway. Please…dont anyone try to argue with me. I wont debate about this. This is only my personal opinion. And as an admited matter of opinion I can not be proven or disproven. Its just opinion.

My only response to any argument to the contrary of what I have said would be, “yeah…yeah thats possible too.”

Chris said this on August 7, 2007 at 2:32 pm

You said: “”Africans were the first to inhabit the earth.””
This statement is nonsensical. Africans were not the first to inhabit the earth. Those who you are erroneously referring to as Africans were actually a different species called Homo Erectus. And they were the only humans (beings of the genus Homo) to EXIST on the earth… anywhere…for a while.

I say: Why is this statement nonsensical? As far as we know so far the first homo sapiens were in Afrika and thus were Afrikans. National Geographic alongside a bunch of institute and universities actually did this research recently to find the ‘original Adam’ if you will, the first homonoid from which all humans evolved and they found that ‘he’ lived in Afrika so he was an Afrikan…they even went as far as constructing what this ‘original Adam’ looked like’ and he looks like a modern day sub Saharan Afrikan. So I don’t really see how that statement is nonsensical…

You said: But all races of Homo sapiens evolved from Homo Erectus at the same time and so all first began to inhabit the earth simultaneously.

I said: Aha but DID all homo sapaiens evolve from homo eructus?!! That’s what folks USED to think…but now there is emerging evidence stating that homo erectus may have been a branch in the homoid tree like homo habilis…that flourished for a while and then died out…this is still a raging debate with many feeling that in order to really get to the root of where modern humans came from. Look here (http://www.articlesbase.com/news-and-society-articles/is-homo-erectus-in-our-family-tree-179891.html and http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/12/1212_021213_journeyofman_2.html)
And even if you’re right that homo erectus was the precursor to humans STILL:
’ Today, there is general agreement that Homo erectus, the precursor to modern humans, evolved in Africa and gradually expanded to Eurasia beginning about 1.7 million years ago.’
So Black Afrikans are STILL the original ones.

You said: ””Therefore, the first woman to give birth was a Black African woman.”””
Again, nonsensical. A “Black African” woman is a Homo sapiens, evolved from Homo erectus, evolved from Australopithecus.

I said: Again, why nonsensical…see my comments above. There is general consensus that the first homo sapiens came from Black Africa…yes you may find some Homo habilis/ erectus, Cro Magnon, Neanderthelis in other continents but OLDERST REMAINS of homo sapiens are in Afrika…so it doesn’t take rocket science to extrapolate that s propagation of the species happened, the first person to give birth was a Black Afrikan woman. If ‘Original Adam’ looks like a Black Afrikan why do you suddenly doubt that ‘Original Eve’ is not a Black Afrikan woman?

Homo erectus evolved from Australopithecus in what is now Africa. So at first Homo erectus existed only in Africa. Then later Homo erectus migrated from Africa to Europe and Asia, then beyond. Homo erectus then evolved into Homo sapiens. This evolution occured wherever Homo erectus lived. Not just in Africa but also in all the other places of the earth. So Homo sapiens women gave birth all over the world basically simultaneously. Homo erectus evolved into Homo sapiens all over the world at about the same time.
THAT’S SIMPLY INCORRECT. You’re assuming that homo sapiens arose from Homo erectus, this is infact in dispute. Moreover if you track the human genome (you really should read up on the human genome project), the oldest ‘bits of DNA’ are found in Black Afrikans…that’s how thet finally traced the ‘Original Adam’ to East Afrika in Tanzania…a certain community there had the ‘oldest DNA’. You’re still stuck in the ‘multi regional model and in the words of experts(Chris Stringer, director of the Human Origins Program at the Natural History Museum in London):
“The multi-regional model of Homo sapiens evolving globally over a long time scale is certainly dead.”

‘”African populations have the most ancient alleles [gene pairs that code for specific traits] and the greatest genetic diversity, which means they’re the oldest,” Hedges explained. “Our species probably had arisen by 150,000 years ago, with a population of perhaps 10,000 individuals.”

‘By around 100,000 years ago, several species of hominids populated the Earth, including H. sapiens in Africa, H. erectus in Southeast Asia and China, and Neandertals in Europe. By around 30,000 years ago, the only surviving hominid species was H. sapiens. ‘

So ummm you’re wrong… Homo sapien women WERE NOT simultaneously giving birth all over the world. You’re wrong on this one : )

You said: “””It is from us that all humans have come. The other races of humankind all evolved from Black Africans.”””
No. I mean no insult, but no they didnt. All races of mankind evolved from Homo erectus. You could say that Homo erectus WAS “Black Africans” but that would be incorrect. A “Black African” is a Homo sapiens with dark skin, as is common to the Homo sapiens that evolved from Homo erectus in Africa.

I said: Well NO. A Black Afrikan is not a homo sapien with dark skin. There are the Aborigines of Australia whom, although they are dark skinned homo sapiens, they are less closely related to Black Afrikans genetically than white Europeans. Its only due to similar historical struggles and the ‘demonising’ of Blackness, that Black Afrikans and Aboriginal Australians have been lumped together. And on the whole homo erectus tip…PLEASE SEE ABOVE.

You said: “Black Africans” and Homo erectus are two completely different species. All races as they are today came from Homo erectus evolving in different climates…and so creating slight variations in the species Homo sapiens. This is all knowledge gained by fossil records and DNA analysis. As you cited for your statement. Since you used those very things as proof of the correctness of your statement, I dont see how you can argue against it. If you DO argue against it then you will also be arguing against the very validity of your statement in the first place- is grinning widely- I can be a tricky son of a gun cant I? I am beginning to greatly enjoy our mental fencing. Though in this one I think I have you.

I said: Haha! No no I think I have YOU on this one. Homo sapiens did not necessarily come from homo erectus. Your entire argument seems to be pinned on a erroneous assumption that homo sapiens came from homo erectus. And who said I’m arguing against fossil proof…I’m using it in support of my arguments…I think I have YOU on this one:)

Afrikan Eye said this on August 8, 2007 at 9:03 am

One more thing…
It SHOULDN’T matter what sex God is but it DOES matter because males in history as evidenced through the creation of patriarchy which is premised on the glorification of males and the depreciation of all female, seem to think that if God is Man then Man is God. You’re a man so you probably don’t REALLY get how disempowering it is to continually be told that God is a Man. As a woman, I can assure you, it makes a difference, because when God has a male image, the attributes of ‘Godliness’ are associated with ‘manileness’, males are given higher positions in society because ‘they closer to God’ etc etc…So although of course The Divine One has no sex, it does matter that God tends to be portrayed almost exclusively as a man…have you ever seen GOD portrayed as a woman…and I mean GOD not GODESS (because that’s tends to have diminutive connotations itself).
Its like when folk say.. ‘it doesn’t matter that Jesus is always depicted as a white man’ Never mind the fact that depicting Jesus as white is a historical inaccuracy and fallacy, my bone of contention is that when white colonialists came to Afrika they USED the image of a WHITE Jesus and WHITE God and a BLACK devil to entrench racism and the straight LIE that whites are closer to God and that the white God gave the white man the job to ‘civilise’ the Black Native(never mind that one of the Most Holy spiritual pieces of the Catholic church is a BLACK Madonna). So as long as Blacks, Afrikans in particular, still see God as white, there is an extent to which we will fail to relate to God and a subconscious manner in which we will think if God is white then White is God…if Satan is Black then Black is Satan…these subconscious messages affect and guide our thinking and behaviour.

Afrikan Eye said this on August 8, 2007 at 9:47 am

I wasnt saying you were arguing against fossil proof, Only anticipating that you might. However you went another way.

I’m going to have to call this one a draw. What you have said is true but it is all theory. As you have said the issue is still hotly debated. Perhaps in the future the answer will be more certain but for now I think it is simply a matter of point of view.

Do you accept the new evidence as proving the new theory, or do you believe in the older theory which has its own supportive evidence and its own merit against the new?

Maybe in the future you will be proven absolutely correct but for now it is a matter of debate.

And of course some new evidence or argument might arise that discounts either of the two current popular theories.

“””Well NO. A Black Afrikan is not a homo sapien with dark skin. There are the Aborigines of Australia whom, although they are dark skinned homo sapiens, they are less closely related to Black Afrikans genetically than white Europeans.”””

I only said that Black Africans are Homo sapiens with dark skin. Which they are. Other Homo sapiens also having dark skin doesnt matter. I didnt mention others, or say that Black Africans were the only dark skinned homo sapiens. So at least that one sentance of mine was completely correct.

Read the rest of your essay. Enjoyed it.

Chris said this on August 8, 2007 at 10:09 am

“””It SHOULDN’T matter what sex God is but it DOES matter.”””

Well yes of course it matters in the scheme of things. I just said it didnt matter to me, as an individual.

“””You’re a man so you probably don’t REALLY get how disempowering it is to continually be told that God is a Man.”””

Its true, there is no way I could know exactly what thats like. I know that. Wasnt trying to say that I did. Men often feel the same way when they are told god is a woman. So, while I dont and never will understand exactly what that is like, I do have some idea.

“”So although of course The Divine One has no sex,””

Of course? Maybe you and I both agree on that point but most people do not. The idea of a sexless god is rather revolutionary at this time. And as a man, who has the idea of god as a man all around him, I would hope to be commended for my out-of-the-box and open minded thinking. : )

“”have you ever seen GOD portrayed as a woman””

Yes I have actually. When I was a young man I read a graphic novel series called Spawn. It was very popular. Awhile into the story god is portrayed to the main character as an elderly african woman. And yes god, not goddess. This portrayel continues throughout the the series.

“”if Satan is Black then Black is Satan””

I have never in my life seen satan portrayed as black. Or even being black in color. Usually satan is portrayed as Red, with cloven hooves, horns and a spikey tail. Also I have seen satan as an attractive woman, a man, various monsters, a beautiful angel, and a demonic avatar. These in cartoons, movies, and paintings.

Satan is portrayed as black in africa then? Not so here. Thats interesting. I had no idea.

Chris said this on August 8, 2007 at 10:35 am

Enjoyed both your article AND the banter with “Chris” — you both have some valid observations. My question for you Afrikan Eye is basically “who are you?” Don’t mean to sound disrespectful, it’s just that I might want to use some of your essay in a paper that I am writing myself for a doctoral history class–especially since you have some excellent references. I need a real name for the Bibliography. (:

Christine

Christine S Brown said this on September 18, 2007 at 8:34 pm

I love it all, my mind is wirling now.And i cherish the images,i am looking for moore.

Aviah said this on September 25, 2007 at 9:08 pm

THANK YOU for this enlightening article!
Delighted to learn that just like Native American societies in the traditional pre-colonial form, African tradition includes systems of Matriarchy and matrilineal kingship/chiefdom. This knowledge should be advanced in mainstream education!

Anita said this on September 30, 2007 at 9:44 pm

i love this i like to learn about my people it makes me happy to learn that women are the main roots of this world

Roshan said this on December 14, 2007 at 7:10 pm

Greetings, how are you feeling this good day? What a joy it is to come across this blog. At last the black women is given what is due to her; RESPECT and HONOR. In’I as a nation of black kings and queens wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for In’I mothers,aunts, grandmothers and sisters. When their husbands, brothers, uncles and fathers were lost for a solution to a particular problem they knew that the wo(mb)man was (hu)man enough to come up with a perfect solution to that problem. So big up to all Afrikan Empresses(wo[mb]men) who are proud of that sun-burnt face and dread crown. This Afrikan son is proud to be an offspring of such an honorable soul. Big Up Afrikan eye for uplifting our sisters and educating our some what ignorrant brothers on the power their sisters have as equal partners in life. Keep up the good work because if Afrikans are to reclaim our former glory we must first uplift the wo(mb)men of Afrika then In’I would see a way forward in eradicating the poverty, wars and diseases on Gracious Mama Afrika; In’I birth ground…. once more again Big Up to Afrikan Eye, In’I need more people like you; to rejuvinate the Afrikan spirit once and for all

Signing off wid seven words of love;

JAH(God) is Love so let Us Love

TuffRoc said this on December 18, 2007 at 11:50 am

Hello!
I don’t have a link to the info that I want to share with you, but I will get it from my coworker. It is a piece on Lucy! It appears that the people have pulled the wool over the eyes of the world again. When I first heard of Lucy, I thought of the first Black African Woman, the first woman in the world. Then my coworker showed me the link with the pictures of Lucy! It was basically a primate. All of the bones were never found and the people, AKA THE MAN, mixed human bones of hands and feet and other parts to complete Lucy in the image of man/woman. It was and ape. But when everyone looks at it, men, women, and kids alike, they all say, “Look at the APE WOMAN!” The people are trying to put the image of MAN coming from APE into the brains of everyone. There were others who studied Lucy and saw that the bone parts added were human and the original bones were APE bones. They even had an APE pelvis and it was broken. They showed the original peoples notes and noted that when the original people were putting Lucy together, that they thought it was strange that Lucy’s broken pelvis looked like and APE pelvis. The Pelvis was shattered into many jagged unrecognizable pieces. The original people said that Lucy’s pelvis was stepped on by a deer. They showed the shattered APE pelvis and then magically, they showed the pieced together pelvis that had been manipulated to resemble a human pelvis. We did not come from primates! Lucy was a Primate. I will get the link for you at another time.

meuw said this on February 12, 2008 at 12:04 am

This is a truly great BLACK article. We will give you the credit note and reprint it at our blog BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL!(yeyeolade.wordpress.com)to enable more people to see it! Black on Brother from Kenya!

Your Blackamerikkkan Sister who 30 years ago went BACK TO AFRICA-Yorubaland,Nigeria,to raise 4 of my 5 children as culturally based Yoruba children,
Yeye Akilimali Funua Olade

Yeye Akilimali Funua Olade said this on Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 30, 2008 at 4:08 pm

“BLACKS MUST SLAY LIE OF INFERIORITY”BY SISTER LEAH CARTER IN THE NEW HAVEN(CT) REGISTER NEWSPAPER,OCT. 18,2008

October 17, 2008

from nhregister.com

Opinion
Blacks must slay lie of inferiority

Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:10 AM EDT
By Leah Carter

IF polls are any indication, there is a real chance Barack Obama will be elected president of the United States. On its face, this seems to suggest that America has seen the worst of its complex and painful history of racism.

A closer examination of the presidential race reveals we probably should not be patting ourselves on the back just yet. As political analyst David Gergen points out, race is still a factor and Obama’s “blackness may cost him the election.”

It is unclear which group more accurately represents contemporary America: the smiling, screaming fans proclaiming that Obama brings “change you can believe in,” or people like Bobby Lee May, the former McCain campaign chairman for Buchanan, Va., who wrote that Obama, if elected, would “hire rapper Ludacris to paint (the White House) black.”

Is the United States a country that has moved beyond racism, leaving behind a small group of reactionaries? Or are the attitudes that sanctioned slavery and Jim Crow laws still going strong and hiding beneath the surface of our society?

The answer seems to be that both are true. The United States cannot quite seem to make up its mind about race.

American blacks are making tremendous strides forward. The rest of America has progressed as well, in both attitudes and actions.

However, beneath many people’s actions and conscious thoughts lurks a deep-seated conviction that black people are inferior. They might be better at dancing, slam-dunking and avoiding skin cancer, but certainly are not as smart, hardworking or beautiful as white people.

This view may seem like a relic of ancient history, but a 2008 report on a study conducted by a Stanford University psychologist concluded that many white Americans subconsciously associate black people with apes.

The saddest part of this is that black people are not immune to this. While black Americans gain success and fortune in increasing numbers, many are simultaneously hindered by a sense of inferiority. In other words, nearly all Americans seem to believe the same lie: that black people are not as smart, valuable, capable or worthy as white people.

The lie of black inferiority was first told hundreds of years ago when Europeans decided it was profitable to colonize Africa and export its citizens for labor while declaring them less than human. It was a useful lie, and successfully instilled — so successfully that it has been propagated through generations to today.

When the U.S. Supreme Court was hearing Brown v. Board of Education, the 1954 case that ended legalized segregation in the United States, psychologist Kenneth Clark demonstrated that school segregation negatively affected black children’s image of themselves. The children thought that black dolls were ugly and dirty, and white dolls were prettier, cleaner, nicer and generally more appealing.

When a similar study was conducted just a few years ago, decades after the end of legalized segregation, the majority of black children still preferred white dolls.

The lie no longer needs to be explicitly stated. We absorb it as if from the air. It is everywhere in our society, and yet seemingly undetectable in a world in which Obama may be our next president, Oprah Winfrey is the world’s most influential media personality and Tiger Woods is the world’s most popular golfer.

Part of what makes the lie so influential is its flexibility. It can coexist with the phenomena of Obama and Winfrey. They can be seen as mere aberrations from the norm.

The result is that while black people can look around and see some blacks succeeding in America, they still find it difficult to love themselves, to believe they deserve the best life has to offer.

The New Haven-based Community Healing Network (www.communityhealingetwork.org) — launched by a group led by the Rev. Victor Rogers, rector of St. Luke’s Episcopal Church, and the Rev. Bonita Grubbs, director of Christian Community Action — has issued a “Call to Healing and Renewal,” declaring that the time has come to extinguish the lie of black inferiority. It wants to replace the lie with “the truth of black people’s beauty, worth, value and dignity.”

The group is calling on the black community to build a movement for emotional emancipation — for freedom not only in body, but also in mind and in spirit.

The group is starting annual Community Healing Days on the third weekend of every October, starting this year on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, to focus the black community on healing the lie of black inferiority.

The goal is to encourage blacks to take special care of themselves and each other on these days. The hope is that the celebration will continue past the weekend, until the day when black children everywhere believe that they are just as smart, strong, capable and worthy as other children. If the work of the Community Healing Network succeeds, as I believe it will, that wonderful day will come sooner rather than later.

Leah Carter is a volunteer with the Community Healing Network. Readers may write her in care of the Register, 40 Sargent Drive, New Haven 06511. Her e-mail address is leahcacarter@gmail.com.

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Bill wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:38 AM:

” Leah Carter is absolutely right. The democrat party is guilty of fostering the idea that somehow blacks are inferior. They insist that they cannot make it on their own, they need affirmative action, and handouts. The democrats insist that blacks need a boost up while other minorities many of them just a dark skinned or darker than American blacks come to this country and succeed in record numbers in spite of perceived racism. They don’t know that they cannot succeed so they do. “

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History wrote on Oct 16, 2008 4:24 PM:

My father grew up in a time when black folks were beaten – by uniformed police officers, in the open – on the way to the polls, and small black children had to be escorted to school by the national guard to protect them from enraged citizens. This was ONE GENERATION AGO. You think this has no historical reverberations? You think it’s reasonable for black folks to disregard the experiences of thier parents and grandparents? You think ‘the inferiority complex’ comes from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?

There is a reasonable difference of opinion about how to heal these wounds; niether of you contributed anything worthwhile to that debate. “

History wrote on Oct 16, 2008 10:12 PM:

” “History is just that. History.”

Let’s talk specifically of Connecticut. This state has the unfortunate distinction of having one of the highest achievement gaps in the country, meaning that poor and minority students perform well below the levels of their wealthier collegues (for more on this, see conncan.org). There are lots of reasons for this, but surely we can agree that history is one of them, that there is a strong link between generations of slavery, housing discrimination, instititionalized racism, etc, and the poverty that many black families face today.

Having said that, I do believe we should ask ourselves if affirmative action is an appropriate way to attempt to right this historical wrong. Like you, I feel that a healthy debate is a good thing – it helps us flesh out our positions and fortify our thinking. But part of that debate is acknowledging the tenacious legacy of racial discrimination in this country without placing the blame solely on the Jacksons and Sharptons. If nothing else, that’s an insult to black agency and intelligence, to say that black folks can’t analyze what comes out of Al Sharpton’s mouth the same way you can, and separate the bad ideas from the good. It would be like blaming crimes committed by Italian-Americans on The Sopranos, which is absurd.

“race-baiting opportunists”

I’m surprised to see that your list of “race-baiting opportunists” includes only the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world. Would you agree with me that the Strom Thurmonds, Robert Byrds, and David Dukes of the world are also “race-baiting opportunists?” If so, do they bear no responsibility for their own negative messages?

“I’m not hearing it from the leaders of today’s black community.”

Maybe you aren’t familiar with Dr. Cornel West, or didn’t hear Senator Obama’s Father’s Day Speech – those are two outstanding examples of positive black leaders recognizing history while speaking hard truths to the African-American community. There’s lots, lots more of that out there.

“The ugly crutch of history”

Again, I’m not saying that we should use history as a crutch. I’m saying that we need to give history its due, and that any debate about affirmative action or perceptions of black ‘inferiority’ needs to start with a recognition of the lasting legacy of that history. “

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Michael wrote on Oct 17, 2008 2:39 AM:

” “Ed” said:We need more messages like that of Dr. King.

I agree; in particular I think a lot of people need to hear what Dr King said, in particular
A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis.

If a city has a 30% Negro population, then it is logical to assume that Negroes should have at least 30% of the jobs in any particular company, and jobs in all categories rather than only in menial areas.

No amount of gold could provide an adequate compensation for the exploitation and humiliation of the Negro in America down through the centuries…Yet a price can be placed on unpaid wages. The ancient common law has always provided a remedy for the appropriation of a the labor of one human being by another. This law should be made to apply for American Negroes. The payment should be in the form of a massive program by the government of special, compensatory measures which could be regarded as a settlement in accordance with the accepted practice of common law.

…and …

[...] our nation was born in genocide when it embraced the doctrine that the original American, the Indian, was an inferior race

You can either disagree with King (which is not necessarily a bad thing, because an appeal to authority is not a conclusive argument), or agree with him and cite him to get respect for your own position, but don’t cite him to oppose things he supported, to whit affirmative action, particularly using racial quotas if need be, reparations for slave descendants, and a clear-eyed view of the original sins of our nation. “

THE BADD,BLACK SISTER AT STEWARTSYNOSIS.COM,MARSHA STEWART HAS PUBLISHED A GREAT BLACK BOOK THAT YOU MUST READ! FROM STEWARTSYNOSIS.COM

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UB & US COMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS

(Self-Preservation is the first Law of Nature.)

The coon caricature

If you look closely at the picture on the cover, you will see a “coon caricature.” It is one of the most insulting of all anti-Black cartoon strips prevalent in the early 1900’s in America. The coon emerged during slavery as unreliable, crazy, lazy, and subhuman creature good for nothing.

Blacks were portrayed as Coons, Toms, Sambos, Mammies, Picaninnies, and other dehumanizing racial caricatures. Jim Crow was more than a series of “Whites Only” signs. It was a way of life that approximated a racial caste system.

Slavery portrayed Blacks as servants, males (Toms) and females (Mammies). They were contented, loyal servants. The Tom was presented as a smiling, wide-eyed, server: fieldworker, cook, butler, porter, or waiter. Unlike the Coon, the Tom was portrayed as a dependable worker, eager to serve–much like Tiger (Negrito) Woods, OJ Simpson and Clearance Thomas.

Chapter 1

Introduction
If you can’t stand to read one more ridiculous thing you think is being said, you need to “check yourself” because you are in a state of denial. Your mind-set is such that you feel the foregoing information is threatening to you and your psyche, and you will probably end up blocking it from your conscious awareness anyway. Whether or not you accept any of the information given to you, you must realize that before you were humanized, you were categorized.

Chapter 2

Willie Lynch or George Bushlynch?
The intentions are not to categorize groups of people. The specified goal is to correct false historical records. Examples of physical features and ethnicity have been used to emphasize certain points and give readers a needed…..WAKE UP CALL!

Chapter 3

Just Bein’ Niggers
As children we all learned to play the game of “Simon Says.” We have turned into a nation of “Simon Sayers.” White Simon says: “You are Niggers.” “Simon Sayers” immediately react and utter: “Simon says: We’re Niggers–Therefore, you be my Nigger-Nigger.”

Chapter 4

Dracula & The Blood Sucker Concept
Retaliatory violence is not the answer. Mind cleansing and rebuking the bloodletting of the Count Leeches will answer all questions and provide all answers.

Chapter 5

White Women

She can shake her naked booty as a stripper or sell her wares on the street corner. . . But the White skin has made her superior to any Black woman. Some Black men need a White woman–this type or any type of White woman to boost their self-esteem. White women have become fascinated with the Black man because contact was forbidden just 20 years ago.

Chapter 6

Wagering Webster’s Warped Dictionary

A sense of pride + a rich tradition and history ^equals^ a White team spirit to falsify. Whites have succeeded to cup and cap Negroid beginnings. When pride is stripped, subservience exists.

Chapter 7

Albinos–Origin of the Caucasian Race?
Some theories equate Albinos with the origin of the Caucasian Race. This website has many validations for the origin of the Negroid Race, but what about the Caucasian Race? Certainly Frances Wesling hit the nail on the head with her book, The Isis Papers (1991). The White Race has the genetic inability and absence of melanin to produce the different skin pigments seen throughout the world.

Chapter 8

The Expulsion In Education (Affirmative Action & The Ignorant Stick)
During slavery Black people were the only laborers, skilled, and semi-skilled workers. In the Ante-Bellum South Black people were the manufacturing cartels and conglomerates of the day.

Chapter 9

White Want-A-Bees And Black Seditity

(The Promised Land–The Whiteland)
The US has cultivated and practiced the psychosocial fear of blackness and self-hatred; thus, creating a color social stratification. It has definitely resulted in the desire or aspiration for Blacks wanting to “whiten” themselves.

Chapter 10

The Blow Job of the Century: (Misdemeanors Synonymous with Monica)
Eighty-four percent of all Blacks supported the former President Clinton. Could this be the real reason for the President’s popularity demise? Clinton arouses hatred among the conservative media like no other president before him–not even the “hoe” John F. Kennedy or “nefarious Nixon.”

Conclusion

Negrophobia is a fear of Black people that persists in the minds of Whites and some Blacks when no realistic danger exists. Usually phobias are reactions to conditioned emotional responses. Negrophobia was initially indoctrinated and instilled by slave owners and currently by all forms of mass media.

M. Stewart.
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I have broached this topic before, but would like to do so more fully now. Are there any languages besides the Elamites’ (probably related to Dravidian) or the Sumerians’ (a language isolate” in the “Near East” that are not Semitic? Did total linguistic replacement take place? Would the linguistic evidence, the archaeological and anthropological, and the genetic evidence not lead scholars to admit the pivotal role of Africans (not to dismiss the contributions of others) to the development of the “Near East”? Any responses would be appreciated.

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Yes. The thing you have to understand is that the Sumerian, Elamite and Dravidian languages are related. Not only are they related to one another they are also related to the Niger Congo languages especially : Mande, and Wolof.

The original inhabitants of South and West Asia were the Anu people. A catastrophe took place and many of the Anu centers of civilization outside the Nile Valley were destroyed.

The Sumerians were negroes , just like Africans.

Sumerian King Gudea

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Between 3500 and 2500 BC Kushite people from the Saharan highlands speaking Sumerian began to occupy Mesopotamia. Around the same time these Kushites entered Mesopotamia, the contemporary Syrian types began to migrate from the mountain areas into the valley areas settled by Sumerians. These mauranding nomads were called Gutians.

Gutians

In the history text these Gutians are protrayed as Sumerians. In reality the Gutian leaders of Lagash are not mentioned in any of the Sumerian King list.

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The Sumerians were differentiating themselves from the Gutians.

Gutian ….. Sumerian

Gutian

Sumerian King Gudea

Note the different handshake of the Sumerian and the Gutians. Much of the art published relating to Sumerians, are often pictures of the Gutians when they ruled Lagash.

No Gutian kings of Lagash are mentioned in the Sumerian King List.
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I have broached this topic before, but would like to do so more fully now. Are there any languages besides the Elamites’ (probably related to Dravidian) or the Sumerians’ (a language isolate” in the “Near East” that are not Semitic?
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Scanty evidence of writing that can be traced back further in time than the dates approximated for the above mentioned groups, makes it difficult to determine how many more different languages may have been spoken in the region, besides or prior to the predominance of Semitic speaking groups in the region as seen today. It has even been suggested that…

perhaps there is an initial influence of Egyptian writing on Mesopotamia because there are signs on Mesopotamian objects that are only “readable” from the standpoint of the Egyptian language, but not the Mesopotamian language..

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It is safe to assume that prior to the movement of proto-Afrasan groups into the region, that this region would have had groups which spoke non-Afrasan languages. Over time, some languages eventually died out, while new ones developed from pre-existing branches. Given this, even if it is said that Afrasan languages didn’t ‘totally’ replace any pre-existing languages, it can be safely said that Afrasan languages largely replaced them.

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Would the linguistic evidence, the archaeological and anthropological, and the genetic evidence not lead scholars to admit the pivotal role of Africans (not to dismiss the contributions of others) to the development of the “Near East”? Any responses would be appreciated.
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Already has. See above; almost the entire “Near Eastern” region from the Levant onwards is dominated by Afrasan languages. Upper Paleolithic and/or early Neolithic expanded PN2-derived lineages have virtually become markers for the spread of the farming economy. “Neolithic” era crania in the Levant have been characterized as a composite of distinctive modal patterns, certain aspects of which suggest strong affinities with specimens from the Upper Nile Valley. Certain new lithic [hence "Neolithic"] tools dated to a time frame prior to the “Neolithic agriculture” economy of the Levant, have been linked back to north Africa.

Related discussion amongst the many: Neolithic farmers, early semitic and Mesopotamia
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History as written today is nothing but falsehood. For example, here is a Sumerian:

But instead of showing Sumerians in textbooks scholars provide pictures of Gutians from Lagash:

Without the concept of race the lie being taught that the Sumerians were non-Blacks–Gutians– will exist forever, since text book publishers only publish what they want us to believe.You can continue to follow the Eurocentrists propaganda that erases Blacks from ancient history–I would rather stick to reality.

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I agree 100% that the Sumerians are misrepresented.

Indeed, the concept of race, which is itself a misrepresentation of biology is in part culpable for this misrepresentation, and never has been and never will be able to provide resolution.

Race in anthropology is a dead end debate, and you actually illustate this with your photos.

Advocates of race, can and will argue that this statue is caucasian, while you counter argue that is negro.

Such and argument has never progressed beyound shouting across a table.

This is one reason why most anthropologist no longer attempt to ascribe pseudo-scientific race classifications to ancient populations.

Race, in anthropology, is fatally flawed concept, it is percieved as -necessary- only for those whose thinking caged by European racists of the 17th century, who provided a world view, that some misguided Africanist scholars are still -reacting- to with racialist -counter myths-.

Modern African scholars are pursuing a revolutionary [as opposed to reactionary] discourse, which rethinks human history in terms that moot the old-dead-end race arguments.
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The languages spoken in ancient Mesopotamia and the Levant have changed overtime. The first people to dominate the area were the Sumerians. The language spoken by the Sumerians was adopted by the nomadic people living in the area, especially the Gutians.

Akkadian

The Sumerians were conquered by the Akkadians the Akkadians spoke a Semitic language. The linguistic evidence makes it clear that the Akkadians originated in the Sudan,migrated across East Africa into Arabia and replaced the Sumerians as the dominate group in Mesopotamia. The Gutians, once the Akkadians took over the region replaced Sumerian with the Semitic language spoken by the Akkadians. Since Akkadian times Semitic has been the dominate language in Mesopotamia.

Anoth group of Semitic speakers settled the Levant.These people were a great naval power called the Cananites and Phonesians.

The linguistic evidence makes it clear that the Akkadians originated in Africa.

According to Haupt, in 1878, Akkadian , Minaean
and Ethiopic all belong to the same group of Semitic
languages, even though they are separated in time and
by great geographical distance. This is surprising
considering the fact that Ethiopic and Akkadian are
separated by many hundreds of years. The best example
of this unity is the presence of shared archaicism
. The linguistic feature of shared
archaicism is the appearance of the vowel after the
first consonant of the imperfect.

For example, one of the most outstanding features
of Ethiopian Semitic languages, is the presence of a vowel following the
first consonant in the verb form known as the
imperfect, e.g., yi quattul (using the hypothetical
verb consonants q-t-l, yi is the person marking
prefix) or yi k’ettl ‘he kills’. In Southwest Semitic
the form of the perfect is yu qtul-u . Here we have
the same hypothetical q-t-l form, but there is no
vowel following the first consonant of the verb root.

It is common in non-African languages to form words with two consonants. African languages usually have a vowel separting each consonant in a word e.g., unasema kiswahilli “Can you speak Swahilli’.

The fact that Akkadian has shared archaicism with Ethiopian Semitic
languages shows that at the time the
Akkadians and Ethiopic speakers separated these groups
had dialectical unity. The lack of this trait in
Arabic and Hebrew shows that they have been influenced
by the Indo-European speakers who invaded Palestine
and Arabia between 1300 B.C. and 900 B.C.

Semitic verb root

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Akkadian Ethiopic/S.Arabiankl ‘to be dark’ ekelu Soqotri okil ‘to cover’mr ‘to see’ amaru Geez ammara;Tigre amarabr ‘to catch’ baru Soqotri b’rdgh ‘remove’ daqu Geez dagba ‘to perforate’kdn ‘to protect’ kidin Tigre kadna

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I call the Semitic languages , Puntite languages since there homeland was probably in the region the Egyptians called Punt.

The Cushitic substratum has strongly influenced
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Cushitic English SemiticSaho la wild cow *la-atSomali la id. id.

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This supports the view of I.M. Diakonoff that the
Semitic speakers and A-Group lived in close proximity
in ancient times. Archaeological evidence also supports this reality. A common ceramic style associated with ancient cultures in Northeast Africa and Arabia is the Tihama culture.

The Tihama pottery was related to the C-Group and Kerma people. This supports the movement of some of these groups into the Horn from this region and explains why the Akkadian and Ethiopic are closely related.

The evidence discussed above makes
it clear that Arabia, was probably not the original
homeland of the Semitic speakers. Modern Ethiopians and the Akkadians
originated in Africa, not Arabia.

Find out more about the Tihama culture here

Fattowich web page
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Rasol

I wish we could separate the history of the Middle East from race, but it is impossible to do so because of the desire of Eurocentrists to make Semitic speakers members of the “white” race.

The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.

To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.

As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.

Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.

A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.

A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians.

Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.

Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar (Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.

The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.

It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.

Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.

There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian text that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves şalmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin. Eventhough de LaCouperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.

In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.

The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.

To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.

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The founders of civilization in South West Asia were the Anu people, archaeologists call Natufians. By 13,000 BC, according to J.D. Clark (“The origins of domestication in Ethiopia”, Fifth Panafrican Congress of prehistory and quaternary Studies, Nairobi,1977) the Natufians were collecting grasses which later became domesticated crops in Southwest Asia.

In Palestine the Natufians established intensive grass collection. The Natufians used the Ibero-Maurusian tool industry (see F. Wendorf, The
History of Nubia, Dallas,1968, pp.941-46). These
Natufians , according to Christopher Ehret ( “On the antiquity of agriculture in Ethiopia”, Jour. of African History 20, [1979], p.161) were small stature folk who spread agriculture throughout Nubia into the Red Sea. The Natufians took the Ibero-Maurusian tools into Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.

The Natufians practiced evulsion of the incisors the same as Bantu people and inhabitants of the Saharan fringes. At this early date the Bantu were probably still in the Saharan highlands along with other Niger-Congo, Cushitic and etc., contemporary African groups. There are traditions among these people that when they settled much Africa, most regions were already occupied by small blacks probably San and/or Khoisan.

I believe that the Natufians given the craniometric evidence for this group probably were San and/or Khoisan . Up to today many Khoisan people live in East Africa, the origination point for the Natufian people. I would guess that the Natufians spoke a Khoisan language.

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Would depend on time frame. For instance, who was dominant in the area during the “Natufian” inhabitation there?
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What do you think of as “Ibero-Maurusian”? Why that designation, when we are dealing with new microlithic tools originating in mainland Africa and transferred into the Levant via the Nile Valley?

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I believe that the Natufians given the craniometric evidence for this group probably were San and/or Khoisan .
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Up to today many Khoisan people live in East Africa, the origination point for the Natufian people. I would guess that the Natufians spoke a Khoisan language.
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No Khoisan language is known to occur in the “Near East”, but Afrasan languages do predominate in that region from the Levant downwards. What markers linguitics-wise and genetics-wise, would help us learn about this close Natufian-Khoisan linkage you speak of?
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I wish we could separate the history of the Middle East from race, but it is impossible to do so because of the desire of Eurocentrists to make Semitic speakers members of the “white” race.

The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.

To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.

As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.

Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.

A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.

A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians.

Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.

Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar (Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.

The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.

It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.

Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.

There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian text that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves şalmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin. Eventhough de LaCouperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.

In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.

The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.

To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.

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Please provide citations from Rawlins, et al that says these people were “blacks”. Please provide citations from the Behistun monument that “clearly” shows that these people identified themselves as blacks or from Africa. I don’t see anything that supports what you are saying.
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Rasol

I wish we could separate the history of the Middle East from race, but it is impossible to do so because of the desire of Eurocentrists to make Semitic speakers members of the “white” race.

The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.

To understand this dichotomy we have to look at the history of scholarship surrounding the rise of Sumero-Akkadian studies. The study of the Sumerians, Akkadians. Assyrians and Elamites began with the decipherment of the cuneiform script by Henry Rawlinson. Henry Rawlinson had spent most of his career in the Orient. This appears to have gave him an open mind in regards to history. He recognized the Ancient Model of History, the idea that civilization was founded by the Kushite or Hamitic people of the Bible.

As result, Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”. In Rawlinson’s day the Sumerian people were recognized as Akkadian or Chaldean, while the Semitic speaking blacks were called Assyrians.

Rawlinson identified these Akkadians as Turanian or Scythic people. But he made it clear that these ancient Scythic or Turanian speaking people were Kushites or Blacks.

A major supporter of Rawlinson was Edward Hincks. Hincks continued Rawlinson’s work and identified the ancient group as Chaldeans, and also called them Turanian speakers. Hincks, though, never dicussed their ethnic origin.

A late comer to the study of the Sumerians and the Akkadians was Julius Oppert. Oppert was a German born of Jewish parents. He made it clear that the Chaldean and Akkadian people spoke different languages. He noted that the original founders of Mesopotamia civilization called themselves Ki-en-gi “land of the true lords”. It was the Semitic speakers who called themselves Akkadians.

Assyrians called the Ki-en-gi people Sumiritu “the sacred language”. Oppert popularized the Assyrian name Sumer, for the original founders of the civilization. Thus we have today the Akkadians and Sumerians of ancient Mesopotamia.

Oppert began to popularize the idea that the Sumerians were related to the contemporary Altaic and Turanian speaking people, e.g., Turks and Magyar (Hungarian) speaking people. He made it clear that the Akkadians were Semites like himself . To support this idea Oppert pointed out that typological features between Sumerian and Altaic languages existed. This feature was agglutination.

The problem with identifying the Sumerians as descendants from contemporary Turanian speakers resulted from the fact that Sumerian and the Turkish languages are not genetically related. As a result Oppert began to criticize the work of Hincks (who was dead at the time) in relation to the identification of the Sumerian people as Turanian following the research of Rawlinson.

It is strange to some observers that Oppert,never criticized Rawlinson who had proposed the Turanian origin of the Ki-en-gi (Sumerians). But this was not strange at all. Oppert did not attack Rawlinson who was still alive at the time because he knew that Rawlinson said the Sumerians were the original Scythic and Turanian people he called Kushites. Moreover, Rawlinson made it clear that both the Akkadians and Sumerians were Blacks. For Oppert to have debated this issue with Rawlinson, who deciphered the cuneiform script, would have meant that he would have had to accept the fact that Semites were Black. There was no way Oppert would have wanted to acknowledge his African heritage, given the Anti-Semitism experienced by Jews living in Europe.

Although Oppert successfully hid the recognition that the Akkadians and the Sumerians both refered to themselves as sag-gig-ga “black heads”, some researchers were unable to follow the status quo and ignore this reality. For example, Francois Lenormant, made it clear, following the research of Rawlinson, that the Elamite and Sumerians spoke genetically related languages. This idea was hard to reconcile with the depiction of people on the monuments of Iran, especially the Behistun monument, which depicted Negroes (with curly hair and beards) representing the Assyrians, Jews and Elamites who ruled the area. As a result, Oppert began the myth that the Sumerian languages was isolated from other languages spoken in the world evethough it shared typological features with the Altaic languages. Oppert taught Akkadian-Sumerian in many of the leading Universities in France and Germany. Many of his students soon began to dominate the Academe, or held chairs in Sumerian and Akkadian studies these researchers continued to perpetuate the myth that the Elamite and Sumerian languages were not related.

There was no way to keep from researchers who read the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian text that these people recognized that they were ethnically Blacks. This fact was made clear by Albert Terrien de LaCouperie. Born in France, de LaCouperie was a well known linguist and China expert. Although native of France most of his writings are in English. In the journal he published called the Babylonian and Oriental Record, he outlined many aspects of ancient history. In these pages he made it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and even the Assyrians who called themselves şalmat kakkadi ‘black headed people”, were all Blacks of Kushite origin. Eventhough de LaCouperie taught at the University of London, the prestige of Oppert, and the fact that the main centers for Sumero-Akkadian studies in France and Germany were founded by Oppert and or his students led to researchers ignoring the evidence that the Sumerians , Akkadians and Assyrians were Black.

In summary, the cuneiform evidence makes it clear that the Sumerians, Akkadians and Assyrians recognized themselves as Negroes: “black heads”. This fact was supported by the statues of Gudea, the Akkadians and Assyrians. Plus the Behistun monument made it clear that the Elamites were also Blacks.

The textual evidence also makes it clear that Oppert began the discussion of a typological relationship between Sumerian and Turkic languages. He also manufactured the idea that the Semites of Mesopotamia and Iran, the Assyrians and Akkadians were “whites”, like himself. Due to this brain washing, and whitening out of Blacks in history, many people today can look at depictions of Assyrians, Achamenians, and Akkadians and fail to see the Negro origin of these people.

To make the Sumerians “white” textbooks print pictures of artifacts dating to the Gutian rule of Lagash, to pass them off as the true originators of Sumerian civilization. No Gutian rulers of Lagash are recognized in the Sumerian King List.

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Please provide citations from Rawlins, et al that says these people were “blacks”. Please provide citations from the Behistun monument that “clearly” shows that these people identified themselves as blacks or from Africa. I don’t see anything that supports what you are saying.
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Of course you wouldn’t understand anything I am saying you believe that the only Africans to influence history lived in Egypt. But other scholars know the truth.

Col. Rawlinson the decipherer of the cuneiform writing makes it clear that the ancient Turanians were the“Hamitic Nations” mentioned in the Bible: Kush (Cush), Misraim (Egypt), Nimrud ( Sumerians and Elamites) and Canaan (Phonesians) (see: C.B. Rawlinson, “Notes on
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We don’t need to separate

-history- of

-middle east- from

-race-

We need to separate

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from

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For example -> the *middle east* is a fictious historical entity.

It is invented by the British, with the esoteric geopolitical purpose of preventing Iran from claiming the rights to it’s own oil.

It is meant to describe and legitimize a zone of European political influence.

Before the British invented this term in the early 20th century – there is no reference to the *middle east* anywhere in the world.

Nor is there and equivalent term, or conception.

The term is completely non-native, unnatural, and superimosed upon non European people for the primary purposes of sublimating there native identities and interest.

Like the middle east – *race* is also false, and pseudo-scientific construct of Eurocentrists.

Therefore, to speak of the ‘racial history of the middle east’ is to surrender to Eurocentric brainwashing.

It is a discourse rooted in nonsense, and bounded by the constructs of Eurocentric racists.

The consequence of Africanists scholars who repeat this conception is to serve the interest of Eurocentrist.

As long as we remained ‘pinned down’ discussing the world in terms of a Eurocentric ideology of ‘race’ and ‘middle east’, then Eurocentrist prevail because they keep the conversation stalemated.

A stalemate always serves the interest of protectors of the status quo.

Remember this, the next time you claim King Tut is a Negro because he has prognathism, and Eurocentrist laugh and counter that he is a Caucasian because he has a high nasal bridge.

[both features are also found in the statues you posted]

You can’t win and argument in the context of a nonsensical dialectic that was designed -by your opponent- to begin with.

The very act of repeating after their racial dialectic, which is based on their root assumptions, is to be defeated by it.

I actually suspect that you are beginning to see this, Dr. Winters.
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The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.
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You can shorten this paragraph by saying that the controversy over the identiy of Kemetian, Kushites and Elamites rooted in racism….yes.

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Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”.
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I agree that Sumerians, like the Kemetians, referred to themselves as Blacks, that this reference is and always has been *ethnic* in character, and that this fact is so disturbing to Eurocentric racists, that they have gone to laughable lengths to invent alternate *explanations*, which for the most part, they don’t actually believe in, but assert effectively as pro-forma propaganda.

British scholar George Rawlinson is one of the 1st to translation Herodotus Histories correctly, in which Herodotus repeatedly refers to Egyptians, Ethiopians and others as Blacks.

EX:

- Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair

– Two black doves flew away from Egyptian Thebes, and while one directed its flight to Libya, the other came to them.

By calling the dove black the Dodonaeans indicated that the woman was an Egyptian.

http://www.piney.com/Heredotus2.html

It is interesting to observe in action – Eurocentrism at it’s most desparate and dissembling, tactics have included

- Deny use of the term ‘black’ to describe the Egyptians, and -blame- ‘afrocentric’ misreading – when in fact the early English language translations of Herodotus by Rawlinson and others *all* correctly translated Herodotus as saying such.

– Admit the use of the term black [thus contradicting the former denial], but claim that it doesn’t actually reference Egyptians, but rather Nubians.

Ex:
Herodotus believed this because the *Colchians were black skinned and woolly haired.*

For starters,Herodotus makes no claim that all of the Egyptians had these features and secondly black Nubian mercenaries served in the Egyptian army which would include Pharaoh Sesostris’s army.

http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/category/black-is-beautiful/

^ This is a beautiful bit of dissembing.

It accuses others of misreading Herodotus, then puts words in Herodotus mouth [Nubians?] he never spoke, in order to evade what he actually said.

It ignores the fact that Herodotus is citing Black skin and Woolly hair as a *common feature* of Ethiopians, Egyptians and Colchians.

After all – he acribes Colchian and -Egyptian- origin, due to black skin and woolly hair -> not and Ethiopian origin due to *nubians* in Egyptian army.

It engages in the straw man argument that Herodotus did not state that *all* Egyptians or *all* Colchoi had these features. [he doesn't say *all* Ethiopians had them, for that matter].

Of course what is relevant is that Blackness is cited by Herodotus as a common denominator and defining characteristic of all 3 groups, which is of course, exactly what is at issue!

So yes, Eurocentrists are desparate liars, and….they know this.
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^ As with Dr. Winters use of Cro-Magnon, it shows residual reliance on musty Eurocentric bogusness.
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Couldn’t the same be said about Europe? I never see you say “Europe” is a fictious historical entity, why is that since you even acknowledge “European people” in the above post?
At the end of the day all these terms, middle east, europe, southeast asia etc are just political. Everyone knows that regardless if they were created 10, 100, 1000 or 10 000 years ago. Same with all nation states.
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The Semitic speakers were not the first people to live in the Area. Eventhough Sumerian is no longer spoken in the Middle east we know that the Sumerians lived in the region. Many Amerindian groups live in and near Chicago,Amerindian languages are no longer spoken in the Chicago region, and the average Chicagoan does not carry Amerindian genes. As a result, just because many people in the area today speak Semitic languages and carry “Semitic genes” does not mean that the Natufians, who belonged to a different culture and ethnic group (i.e., negroes) than any Semitic group living in the Levant today, is not proof that the Natufians were Semitic speakers.

We know the people were called Anu, because the Sumerian texts claim that the original people in the area were Anu or Anunaki. Egyptians claimed the first rulers of Egypt were also called Anu.

The archaeologist referred to these Khoisan speakers as Bushman Hottentots. W.E. B. DuBois, discussed these Negroes in the The World and Africa, pp.86-89. DuBois noted that “There was once a an “uninterrupted belt’ of Negro culture from Central Europe to South Africa” (p.88).These people were smaller than Semitic speakers. Below is one of the early articles on the Natufians

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BONES OF CANNIBALS A PALESTINE RIDDLE
Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES.
New York Times 1857; Aug 4, 1932; ProQuest Historical Newspapers The New York Times (1851 – 2003)
pg. 21

Negroid people of 5000 B. C.Unlike Any Modern Race Described by Keith.

ATE BODIES OF ENEMIES
Men, Short of Stature, Burned Bones of Dead After Burial, London Session Hears.
TEETH OF WOMEN DRAWN
Linking relics to Burnt Skeletons from Ur scientist speculate an old cremation custom.

Wireless to NEW YORK TIMES London Aug. 3

Seven or eight thousand years ago in what geologist call modern times a race of negroid cannibals lived In Palestine, burned the bones of their dead after burial, and devoured the bodies of their enemies.
Skulls and thighbones of this race were unearthed within the last four years, first at Shukbah near Jerusalem and later in caves at Mount Carmel, and because they puzzled the excavators who found them they received the new name “Natufians.”
Today the first authoritative account of them was given by Sir Arthur Keith to the congress of Prehistoric and Protohistoric Sciences and showed them to be one of the greatest riddles of archaeology.
They were clearly a Negroid people, said Sir Arthur, with wide faces flat- noses and long large heads.
They were short of stature 5 feet 3 or 4 inches tall-and their thighs and legs were remarkably strong.
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The first people to dominate the area were the Sumerians.
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Would depend on time frame. For instance, who was dominant in the area during the “Natufian” inhabitation there?
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The founders of civilization in South West Asia were the Anu people, archaeologists call Natufians.
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You know this because…?

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Originally posted by Clyde Winters:

In Palestine the Natufians established intensive grass collection. The Natufians used the Ibero-Maurusian tool industry (see F. Wendorf, The
History of Nubia, Dallas,1968, pp.941-46).
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What do you think of as “Ibero-Maurusian”? Why that designation, when we are dealing with new microlithic tools originating in mainland Africa and transferred into the Levant via the Nile Valley?

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I believe that the Natufians given the craniometric evidence for this group probably were San and/or Khoisan .
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What cranio-metric evidence has led you to that conclusion?

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Up to today many Khoisan people live in East Africa, the origination point for the Natufian people. I would guess that the Natufians spoke a Khoisan language.
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No Khoisan language is known to occur in the “Near East”, but Afrasan languages do predominate in that region from the Levant downwards. What markers linguitics-wise and genetics-wise, would help us learn about this close Natufian-Khoisan linkage you speak of?
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The point that you are missing Mr. Winters is that the Anu were not the same as the San people. They may have been small statured, but that does not make them San. Just like Pygmies are not san people either, even though they are both indigenous African groups. The Anu were quite possibly closer to the Anu than the San, but seeing as no skeletal remains of these “anu” has been provided, how do we determine the relationship? Those skeletons referenced in the 1930s must still be around somewhere.
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The point that you are missing Mr. Winters is that the Anu were not the same as the San people. They may have been small statured, but that does not make them San. Just like Pygmies are not san people either, even though they are both indigenous African groups. The Anu were quite possibly closer to the Anu than the San, but seeing as no skeletal remains of these “anu” has been provided, how do we determine the relationship? Those skeletons referenced in the 1930s must still be around somewhere.
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What makes you so sure they are not the Anu? Please cite the craniometric differences between the Natufians and the San and Khoisan people that lead you to this conclusion.

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This is a great topic guys. And I must commend on the civility of the discussion and exchange of ideas, information and respectable disagreement!

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just because many people in the area today speak Semitic languages and carry “Semitic genes” does not mean that the Natufians, who belonged to a different culture and ethnic group (i.e., negroes) than any Semitic group living in the Levant today, is not proof that the Natufians were Semitic speakers.
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What is “negroid” according to you Clyde Winters?
Are all people (according to your citation above)of “wide faces flat- noses and long large heads” ” constitute of negroid people to you? And if thats so, what exactly do connect all these people other than these features? What gives you the energy to fight for these “wide faces flat- noses and long large heads” people throughout your career, you consider them all being of common proto-“negroid” origin? What exactly is your point?
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Couldn’t the same be said about Europe? I never see you say “Europe” is a fictious historical entity, why is that since you even acknowledge “European people” in the above post?
At the end of the day all these terms, middle east, europe, southeast asia etc are just political. Everyone knows that regardless if they were created 10, 100, 1000 or 10 000 years ago. Same with all nation states.
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The only difference is that ‘Europe’ was created by Europeans to describe themselves and which they accepted.

Also, the term is based on a definite region based on actual geography/geology, with Europe being an actual subcontinent.

Neither of these things above can be said about “Middle East”.
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The controversy surrounding the Kushite/African/Black origins of the Elamites, Sumerians, Akkadians and “Assyrians” is simple and yet complicated. It involves both the racism exhibited toward the African slaves in the Western Hemisphere and Africans generally which led to the idea that Africans had no history ; and the need of Julius Oppert to make Semites white, to accommodate the “white” ancestry of European Jews.
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You can shorten this paragraph by saying that the controversy over the identiy of Kemetian, Kushites and Elamites rooted in racism….yes.

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Rawlinson was surprised during his research to discover that the founders of the Mesopotamian civilization were of Kushite origin. He made it clear that the Semitic speakers of Akkad and the non-Semitic speakers of Sumer were both Black or Negro people who called themselves sag-gig-ga “Black Heads”.
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I agree that Sumerians, like the Kemetians, referred to themselves as Blacks, that this reference is and always has been *ethnic* in character, and that this fact is so disturbing to Eurocentric racists, that they have gone to laughable lengths to invent alternate *explanations*, which for the most part, they don’t actually believe in, but assert effectively as pro-forma propaganda.

British scholar George Rawlinson is one of the 1st to translation Herodotus Histories correctly, in which Herodotus repeatedly refers to Egyptians, Ethiopians and others as Blacks.

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- Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair

– Two black doves flew away from Egyptian Thebes, and while one directed its flight to Libya, the other came to them.

By calling the dove black the Dodonaeans indicated that the woman was an Egyptian.

http://www.piney.com/Heredotus2.html

It is interesting to observe in action – Eurocentrism at it’s most desparate and dissembling, tactics have included

- Deny use of the term ‘black’ to describe the Egyptians, and -blame- ‘afrocentric’ misreading – when in fact the early English language translations of Herodotus by Rawlinson and others *all* correctly translated Herodotus as saying such.

– Admit the use of the term black [thus contradicting the former denial], but claim that it doesn’t actually reference Egyptians, but rather Nubians.

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Herodotus believed this because the *Colchians were black skinned and woolly haired.*

For starters,Herodotus makes no claim that all of the Egyptians had these features and secondly black Nubian mercenaries served in the Egyptian army which would include Pharaoh Sesostris’s army.

http://yeyeolade.wordpress.com/category/black-is-beautiful/

^ This is a beautiful bit of dissembing.

It accuses others of misreading Herodotus, then puts words in Herodotus mouth [Nubians?] he never spoke, in order to evade what he actually said.

It ignores the fact that Herodotus is citing Black skin and Woolly hair as a *common feature* of Ethiopians, Egyptians and Colchians.

After all – he acribes Colchian and -Egyptian- origin, due to black skin and woolly hair -> not and Ethiopian origin due to *nubians* in Egyptian army.

It engages in the straw man argument that Herodotus did not state that *all* Egyptians or *all* Colchoi had these features. [he doesn't say *all* Ethiopians had them, for that matter].

Of course what is relevant is that Blackness is cited by Herodotus as a common denominator and defining characteristic of all 3 groups, which is of course, exactly what is at issue!

So yes, Eurocentrists are desparate liars, and….they know this.
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I concur. The only fallacy now is Winters claiming that all these black peoples were Africans or “Kushites”. The Sumerians and Elamites were NOT African Kushites and neither were the Dravidians despite the fact that they are all black.

We have been through the reasons numerous times.
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Couldn’t the same be said about Europe? I never see you say “Europe” is a fictious historical entity, why is that since you even acknowledge “European people” in the above post?
At the end of the day all these terms, middle east, europe, southeast asia etc are just political. Everyone knows that regardless if they were created 10, 100, 1000 or 10 000 years ago. Same with all nation states.
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The only difference is that ‘Europe’ was created by Europeans to describe themselves and which they accepted.

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Yes, but that still doesn’t make it less fictious than “middle east”.

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And how exactly does this differ from “middle east”? Neither Europe or Middle-East are continents of their own.
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No doubt about certain of them being Kushites.
Kushite was ancient vernacular for what we call
black when we speak of black people or blackfolks.
Major doubt about any of them being “colonies”
from the greater continental African landmass.
Of course Colchians are the exception being
that they were described in classical times
as an exode from Egyptian army (but what of
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The only fallacy now is Winters claiming that all these black peoples were Africans or “Kushites”. The Sumerians and Elamites were NOT African Kushites and neither were the Dravidians despite the fact that they are all black.

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The Semitic speakers were not the first people to live in the Area.
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And you heard that they were, from where?

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Eventhough Sumerian is no longer spoken in the Middle east we know that the Sumerians lived in the region. Many Amerindian groups live in and near Chicago,Amerindian languages are no longer spoken in the Chicago region, and the average Chicagoan does not carry Amerindian genes.
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Non-issue.

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As a result, just because many people in the area today speak Semitic languages and carry “Semitic genes” does not mean that the Natufians, who belonged to a different culture and ethnic group (i.e., negroes) than any Semitic group living in the Levant today, is not proof that the Natufians were Semitic speakers.
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Another non-issue. You were asked for preponderance of evidence that shows strong links between Natufians and Khoisans.

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We know the people were called Anu, because the Sumerian texts claim that the original people in the area were Anu or Anunaki. Egyptians claimed the first rulers of Egypt were also called Anu.
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How does this prove any link with the Natufians, even if one were to go with your idea that Sumerian texts’ reference to “Anunaki” is referencing the same group designated as “Anu” in the Nile Valley? The Natufian complex precedes the arrival or “appearance” of Sumerians in the region by a significant time gap.

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The archaeologist referred to these Khoisan speakers as Bushman Hottentots. W.E. B. DuBois, discussed these Negroes in the The World and Africa, pp.86-89. DuBois noted that “There was once a an “uninterrupted belt’ of Negro culture from Central Europe to South Africa” (p.88).These people were smaller than Semitic speakers. Below is one of the early articles on the Natufians
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So stature is supposedly the determinant that you are going by, with this tenuous strong link between Natufians and Khoisans? How does this even address what was asked of you; i.e., the cranio-metric tendencies that suggest very strong link between Natufians and Khoisans, not to leave out genetic and linguistic evidence?
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Yes, but that still doesn’t make it less fictious than “middle east”.
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It does if you consider the very real geographical and geological basis! Europe borders the rest of Asia by the Ural mountains and straits seperating it from Asia Minor. Now what natural borders define the “Middle East”??

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But geologically Europe is a subcontinent in that it essentially is a continent of its own that was once seperate eons ago but later fused to the rest of Asia, so too is the case with India. What about “Middle East”? You cannot say the same about this political region.
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Here are other images of the population in Mesopotamia before the deluge from the Steppes swept them away:

http://www.beforebc.de/400_neareast/02-16-500-SM.akk-57-050-08.html

http://www.beforebc.de/400_neareast/02-16-500-SM.bab-01.html

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The thread deals with Africa, Semites, and the Near East. There is the possibility, or rather, history supports the fact that these three (before whites at any given stage entered theses societies) are one; and were the founding peoples and civilization of Europe as well:

http://www.beforebc.de/all_europe/02-16-500-00-07.html

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The point that you are missing Mr. Winters is that the Anu were not the same as the San people. They may have been small statured, but that does not make them San. Just like Pygmies are not san people either, even though they are both indigenous African groups. The Anu were quite possibly closer to the Anu than the San, but seeing as no skeletal remains of these “anu” has been provided, how do we determine the relationship? Those skeletons referenced in the 1930s must still be around somewhere.
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What makes you so sure they are not the Anu? Please cite the craniometric differences between the Natufians and the San and Khoisan people that lead you to this conclusion.

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Primarily because the ANU no longer EXIST, while the pygmies and San people DO EXIST and ARE NOT the same. That is why Pygmies are pygmies and San are San. Just because all three groups were short statured people DOES NOT MAKE THEM the same people, culturally, linguistically or ethnically.
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The point that you are missing Mr. Winters is that the Anu were not the same as the San people. They may have been small statured, but that does not make them San. Just like Pygmies are not san people either, even though they are both indigenous African groups. The Anu were quite possibly closer to the Anu than the San, but seeing as no skeletal remains of these “anu” has been provided, how do we determine the relationship? Those skeletons referenced in the 1930s must still be around somewhere.
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What makes you so sure they are not the Anu? Please cite the craniometric differences between the Natufians and the San and Khoisan people that lead you to this conclusion.

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Primarily because the ANU no longer EXIST, while the pygmies and San people DO EXIST and ARE NOT the same. That is why Pygmies are pygmies and San are San. Just because all three groups were short statured people DOES NOT MAKE THEM the same people, culturally, linguistically or ethnically.
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Archaeologist compared the skeletal remains of San and Khoisan people in South Africa and the ancient peoples of Europe and Asia, that is how it was determined that the same people who live in South Africa where spread throughout the world thousands of years ago.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. For example, Egyptians no longer exist as a monolithic group but linguuistics and anthropology have have shown us that they are related to Africans now living in other parts of Africa, in addition to the Coptic people who, in many cases fail to look phenotypically like the ancient Egyptians depicted in ancient Egyptian art.

Moreover, we may never really know the language spoken by the pygmies who have been found on every continent: the Americas, Africa and Asia. This is due to the fact that the languages they speak is usually the language spoken by majority population they live among.
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Originally posted by alTakruri:
No doubt about certain of them being Kushites.
Kushite was ancient vernacular for what we call
black when we speak of black people or blackfolks.
Major doubt about any of them being “colonies”
from the greater continental African landmass.
Of course Colchians are the exception being
that they were described in classical times
as an exode from Egyptian army (but what of
their womefolk? I mean Medea was ???).

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
The only fallacy now is Winters claiming that all these black peoples were Africans or “Kushites”. The Sumerians and Elamites were NOT African Kushites and neither were the Dravidians despite the fact that they are all black.

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I was just about to write a post about that. We read Medea in one of my classes, and reading about her being from Colchis, then remembering what Herodotus said about them, I wondered whether she was Black or had Black ancestry. The English translation had no mention of ethnic reference. She kicks ass in the play, but I am not exactly sure I want a mother who kills her own children to be Black, as Black women already get enough bad press, with welfare mothers and all.
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^ The story that she kills her own children is a later rendition of the legend no doubt made by Greeks to further deomonize her. In earlier accounts, her children were murdered by political enemies of her marriage to Jason. Notice that in the story she was not only a princess but a high-priestess with great mystical power. It was only in later times that Greek men made her into an “evil witch” capable of killing her own children out of spite.

You’re right that in all the accounts (at least those I’ve read) there were no ‘racial’ or physical descriptions of her other than that she was beautiful.

Getting somewhat back to the topic why is there such a comparison in stature between San and Pygmies?? Yes, San are generally short but NOT like Pygmies which are much shorter thus the description ‘Pgymy’!
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This Akkadian hooked nose mask gives me Saudi vibe.

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The picture you published regarding the Akkadians is a fake. It looks more “Saudi” because the artist’s who made the mask was trying to make it fit the contemporary people who live in the area.
Below you can compare the original and fake mask. The nose of the original is not hooked.
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Sleepy; were you seriously trying to suggest that the current rulers of Arabia are the indigenous people? Maybe you also think that current Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Libyans, and those in the place now called Turkey are also indigenous people. Try Turks, with a little Greek and Roman thrown in – and the resultant mixtures.
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The picture you published regarding the Akkadians is a fake. It looks more “Saudi” because the artist’s who made the mask was trying to make it fit the contemporary people who live in the area.
Below you can compare the original and fake mask. The nose of the original is not hooked.
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Mr. Winters all of those images are of the same person and none of them are different from one another. This is a blatantly false misrepresentation of the artifacts that does not show what you are implying, which is any FAKE forms of these statues or busts that you can single out as being more “arab” like.

This is a lie and the post is nonsense.
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^ LOL What else do you expect from Winters?
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lol Winter
Sorry dude it is the same mask with the impressed nose tip and his straight hair commend to a bun.

Sleepy; were you seriously trying to suggest that the current rulers of Arabia are the indigenous people? Maybe you also think that current Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Libyans, and those in the place now called Turkey are also indigenous people. Try Turks, with a little Greek and Roman thrown in – and the resultant mixtures.

Haplogroup J
30000 thousand years not enough?
Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Near East (Semino et al. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ is in turn derived from Haplogroup F. The main current subgroups J1 and J2, which now account between them for almost all of the population of the haplogroup, are both believed to have arisen very early, at least 10,000 years ago.

Actually Europeans are the ones who are partly Middle Eastern spin-offs.
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The figure you posted is a fake as demonstrated above.

Haplogroup J could not have arisen in the Middle East around 30,000 years ago because the area was still occupied by Neanderthals. Moreover, around this time the Cro-Magnon people who were expansing eastward from Iberia carried the N haplogroup.

Moreover the J haplogroup is also found among the Ethiopians. Given the linguistic evidence that the Akkadians and Ethiopians were closely related suggest supports the Africaness of these people, not Arabness.

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lol Winter
Sorry dude it is the same mask with the impressed nose tip and his straight hair commend to a bun.

Sleepy; were you seriously trying to suggest that the current rulers of Arabia are the indigenous people? Maybe you also think that current Iraqis, Iranians, Egyptians, Libyans, and those in the place now called Turkey are also indigenous people. Try Turks, with a little Greek and Roman thrown in – and the resultant mixtures.

Haplogroup J
30000 thousand years not enough?
Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Near East (Semino et al. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ is in turn derived from Haplogroup F. The main current subgroups J1 and J2, which now account between them for almost all of the population of the haplogroup, are both believed to have arisen very early, at least 10,000 years ago.

Actually Europeans are the ones who are partly Middle Eastern spin-offs.
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This the original picture you posted it has nothing to do with the figure I posted. Note that the left eye in the figure you posted was normal, whereas the left eye in the figure below is missing. You should be ashamed of yourself. But like most Eurocentrists you don’t mind lying to advance a LIE.

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This Akkadian hooked nose mask gives me Saudi vibe.

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Those aren’t different bust profiles.
The image was mirror flipped, that’s all.
Besides publishers mistakenly doing it
anyone with PhotoShop or Picasso or etc., can do it too.
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The Sumerians were conquered by the Akkadians the Akkadians spoke a Semitic language. The linguistic evidence makes it clear that the Akkadians originated in the Sudan,migrated across East Africa into Arabia and replaced the Sumerians as the dominate group in Mesopotamia.
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Evergreen Posts:

Domesticated Animals from Early Times by Juliet Clutton-Brock

Author(s) of Review: Juris Zarins
The Biblical Archaeologist, Vol. 45, No. 4 (Autumn, 1982), pp. 251-253

“The possibility of cattle pastoralism’s having originated in conjunction with early agricultural practices in southern
Egypt must now be seriously considered along with the possible diffusion of Neolithic cattle
pastoralism into the Sahara, south to East Africa, and across the Red Sea to the SinaiINegev and the Arabian peninsula.”
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Haplogroup J
30000 thousand years not enough?
Haplogroup J is believed to have arisen 31,700 years ago (plus or minus 12,800 years) in the Near East (Semino et al. 2004). It is most closely related to Haplogroup I, as both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are descendants of Haplogroup IJ (S2, S22). Haplogroup IJ is in turn derived from Haplogroup F. The main current subgroups J1 and J2, which now account between them for almost all of the population of the haplogroup, are both believed to have arisen very early, at least 10,000 years ago.

Actually Europeans are the ones who are partly Middle Eastern spin-offs.
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What is the correlation between the evolution of modern Eurasian phenotype and haplogroup J. Cranial and genetic evidence indicates that the earliest Europeans shared phenotypic traits with modern and ancient Sub-Saharan Africans.
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[QUOTE]I agree that Sumerians, like the Kemetians, referred to themselves as Blacks, that this reference is and always has been *ethnic* in character, and that this fact is so disturbing to Eurocentric racists, that they have gone to laughable lengths to invent alternate *explanations*, which for the most part, they don’t actually believe in, but assert effectively as pro-forma propaganda.
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It seems most probable that two types existed in the Tigres-Euphrates area by the early neolithic – a modified “Australoid” type that was spread from Australia, through India and into the vicinity of modern Iran/Iraq. There was also a semitic element that spread out of Africa and around the so-called fertile cresent during the early Holocene. A third, chariot-wielding element may have entered the region during the Bronze Age.
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It seems most probable that two types existed in the Tigres-Euphrates area by the early neolithic – a modified “Australoid” type that was spread from Australia, through India and into the vicinity of modern Iran/Iraq. There was also a semitic element that spread out of Africa and around the so-called fertile cresent during the early Holocene. A third, chariot-wielding element may have entered the region during the Bronze Age.
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Further to this point, it seems that populations stretching from Senegal to Australia shared in the common M1 mtDNA lineage. These populations were Black and known as Eastern and Western Ethiopians (Blacks) by ancient Eurasians. These Black populations also seemed to have recognized their own Blackness with references to Kush/Kham/Ham/Kish evolving in relation to the emergence of chariot-wielding elements that may have entered the region during the EBA.
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In fact, this is where I would lean more toward the Clyde Winters/Marc Washnington camp. Not so much that I believe the Olmec were Nubians who fled the Nile when the Ptolmies closed down the temples in Aswan or that the Sumerians were ancient chariot-riding mandingoes from the Sahara. But I do believe that Europeans are closely aligned with Africans based upon the linear knowledge (science, mathematics, religion, writing, etc.) Africans imparted to Europeans during the current Quran (Holocene). Likewise, I believe Black-Asians are closely aligned with Africans based upon the instinctive knowledge (memory of Australian Aborigines) they took with them when they left Africa during the UP. Unlike northern Eurasians, Black-Asians RETAINED this African instinct in tandem with an essentially African physiology.
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“The Destruction of Black Civilization” BY: Chancellor Williams—This is the FIRST book EVERYONE should read conscerning black history!!!

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MELANET UnCut Chat and Discussion: When Black Men Ruled The World (On Africentrism): “The Destruction of Black Civilization” BY: Chancellor Williams—This is the FIRST book EVERYONE should read conscerning black history!!!
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By MartinCruse on Friday, March 10, 2000 – 04:31 am:
This is the definitive book to read if you want to
know the truth about black history!!

yeah yeah i know you have heard that before but
take my word for it this time trust me. I thought
I knew pretty much everthing (or at least the jist
of it) about black history till i read this!!

I know alot about our history but their were still
unanswered questions that most black history books
were not addressing. I’ve found them in this book.

This book contains all the information Henry Louis
Gates Jr. didn’t have the courage to say in his
Eurocentic black history tv series that was on
television!!! Many afrocentric scholars demanded
that they show and “honest” version of black
history instead of the farce that Gates displaid
for the world to see.

FOR EXAMPLE:

1. We know that the Egyptians were not caucasion
or “white”…thats been established. But were
they….ARAB? Thats what the people look like
there now anyways. So they weren’t white or black
but ARAB. But the Arabs invaded Africa just like
the Europeans did didn’t they.
Arabs even started the invasion (i think) and
were MAJOR holders in the intercontinental slave
trade weren’t they!?!?!

Hmmmmmm……

2. There is a huge dessert that currently
separates North and South Africa. Its called the
Sahara. Eurocentric scholars have used the desert
as a means of saying that the Egyptians were a
separate people and culture from the rest of
Africa. “Sub-Saharan” is the term that they use i
believe.

But evidence has been found that the Sahara was
once rich with plant life and water making it
perfectly inhabitable for people to inhabit it.
And by doing so connecting the imaginary barrier
between Egypt and the rest of Africa.

So was the Sahara ALWAYS a desert? And how did it
become a desert in the first place?…

hmmmmmmm…..

All these questions and more are answered in this
book

WRITE DOWN THIS ISBN NUMBER AND TAKE IT TO YOUR
NEAREST BOOKSTORE: 0 883 780 305

“The Destruction of Black Civilization”= by:
Chancellor Williams

and once again, the ISBN number: 0 883 780 305

Write the number down and give it to them. It’ll
make it easier to find the book

Knowledge is Power!!!!!!
Martin

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By White Boy on Thursday, March 16, 2000 – 09:55 am:
Afrocentrism is a joke!

Black africans haven’t established ONE advanced civilization on their own. Egyptians are NOT black, they are more Arab than anything so blacks cannot take credit for that civilization either.

Let’s face it Blacks are infirior to all other races. How? Well simply put, Black Africans are the only race that cannot succeed in Ameria on their own. Even with Affirmative Action, Africans struggle to succeed in a country where all other races have been tremendously prosperous.

Anyone who supports Afrocentrism is a fool. You need to realize that Africans should stop their complaining and start adopting Western ideals in order to succeed in this world. If you do not, blacks will just be what they always have been: poor and under developed

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By MartinCruse on Thursday, March 16, 2000 – 01:16 pm:
OOOOOO HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE LIES.

First of all, africans are divided and suffering so much today because we were colonized by Europeans and Arabs. And to colonize Africans used and old techinque of…

DIVIDE AND CONQUER!!!! When we are fighting amongst ourselves we are not focussing on the real problem…Europeans with their Christianity and Arabs with their Islam.

We have created no civilizations huh? lol yeah they tried to feed me that crap in history class also. Just because Arabs are there now doesn’t mean they always have been. The Arabs invaded Egypt just like the greeks/romans did. They also participated in the slave trade. So all in all they are just as hippocritical as Europeans are concerning black history.

All of the Greek classicists describe them as black (herodutus, aristotle, ect., ect.) But all this has been said before…..”whiteboy.” Its getting repetitive now. If you have any doubts….look at the sphinx. Look at the brrrrooooaaaad nose and lick long lips it has. Even though they were shot off u can still make out its “africoid” facial features.

And have u actually read any of the afrocentric books? Or are you just making blind ignorant statements to suit your own greedy needs?

And p.s. everthing in the west originated in the EAST!!! Western civilizations is built on lies and deciet and GREED!

But we all know this already…

So now that you have been corrected….go by the CLEGG SERIES video, crawl back into the ignorant/ destructive/capitalist/backstabbing/European lies filled hole you came from and shut up
CAUSE GROWN FOLKS ARE TALKING!

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By ignore_the_devil on Thursday, March 16, 2000 – 01:30 pm:
Peace, be still, brothers and sisters, do not let the devil get the best of you. “It” is inciting you to a riot. Peace, be still!

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By ruff on Thursday, March 16, 2000 – 01:50 pm:
infirior?…no spell check on webtv,huh whitebread?

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By White Boy on Friday, March 17, 2000 – 10:41 am:
Gee sorry RUFF I don’t have spell checking. Apparently you don’t either. Isn’t it supposed to be rough?

It is simple to answer all those points you made.

The greeks could easily misake an Arab and say he or she was black. Look at arabs for goodness sake, some of them are so dark they are blacker than some blacks. So no problem there.

And sorry I disagree with you on the Sphinx it doens’t look negroid to me. But maybe I’m wrong, I’ll admit I didn’t see who built the thing. If you can prove to me that blacks built it, then I’d agree with you. But the fact remains that NOBODY can really say who built the sphinx, and I’d have an easier time believing it was built by aliens.

And ha ha I guess the black race is so honest and upright? You never get greedy or lie? You have never destroyed another tribe or made war on them back in your days in Africa? And I guess I’m so corrected now that I’ll just crawl away back to my slimey mud hole right? HA HA HA HA!!!

If you think Africa was so great, then get out of my counrty and go back to your sick, poor, AIDS infested, anarchy ridden, Africa?

White Boy

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By Edward Parker on Saturday, March 18, 2000 – 10:03 am:
Their is evidence allover this planet that original man or homo sapien sapien was the black man.. In la Venta Mexico with statues negroid stoneheads,with black Buddha with thick lips in India,china etc..Grimaldi who roam ed Europe for 40,000yrs BC,Tua man in north america,the egyptian black god Osirus…Chang dynasty which consisted of the black dwarf from interior Akebulan…I need not continue for those of any intellectual capacity know the truth..and the truth will set you free!!!!!

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By MartinCruse on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 – 02:55 am:
No i think u need to prove to ME that they were
anything other than black.

But yes i admit…Europeans aren’t the only ones
that lie. But you guys seem to have turned it into
an art form. Your the ones who invented the
political weapon of Misiformation. Your the ones
who got the ball rolling on the destruction of the
environment. YOUR the ones who have colonized the
WORLD with your own narrowminded beliefs and
religions. But i digress…your are right….a
liar is a liar…no matter how often he does or
does not commit a lie. But the balance definitely
leans toward Europeans thats for sure. Hell you
own like 70% percent of the world’s currency. You
don’t get that kinda cheese with hard work and
honesty NO WAY!!! That power was achieved through
manipulation and deciet.

Most proof of black Egypt comes from Greeks/romans
and even the pharoahs who were alive at the time.
I find it fitting irony that the alot of the proof
comes from White peoples’ ancestors themselves
lol. They describe them as dark skinned with flat
noses, full lips, and kinky hair like sheeps
wool!!! SHEEPS WOOL!!!! Get some sheeps wool and
think about whose hair it most represents.

There are also quotes from the pharoahs
themselves. You would have to know a little bit
of the history to put this one together though.
There is another all black civilization called
Nubia that lies south of Egypt. Afrocentric
scholars have always claimed that the Egyptians
were immigrants from Nubia. This is proven by the
fact that The Egyptians THEMSELVES describe
Nubia/the south as their place of origin. They
frequently went to the nubians for supplies or
assistance in whatever. Today, because of violent
sand storms…there is a dessert separating nubia
and Egypt. It is called the Saharah. So in order
to discredit Africans of our classical
civilizations so they can justify
slavery/colonialism….Racist Egyptologist
invented the term “Sub-Saharan” Africa. In other
words….all the niggers are down south while the
civilized white/arab Egyptians lie up north. The
Sahara was not always a dessert. This has been
proven. Egyptoligist are finding out that Egypt
maybe even older than they originally thought.
They found water erosion on the Sphinx!!! That
means There could have been connection between
north and South if that kind of drastic weather
changes happened (i.e. floods, SANDSTORMS, ect.
ect. ect.)!!!
But i Imagine all the hard proof in the world will
not change a mind that wants to justify its hate.

BUT YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT IT HERE:

http
://www.he.net/~skyeagle/afro1.htm

go to the “Greek Quotes” section..very interesting

Arabs…even the darkest of them, (who are
considered blacks anyway by lighter skinned Arabs
ironically) have straitened hair like Europeans.
So yes they WOULD be able to tell the difference.
Arabs invaded Egypt many, many, centuries later in
the history of Kemet (Egypt).
And not all blacks have those fleshy facial
features either. Our variatioins seem almost
endless….after all…Blacks are the first
hue-ma

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By Soulbrother on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 – 11:49 am:
All of these beautiful, accurate, fact-filled, historical words, wasted on a poor, ignorant, racist White Boy, who would not see the truth if it hit him/her/it like a brick, in the face …..

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By perfect on Wednesday, March 22, 2000 – 05:09 pm:
Not wasted at all soulbrother I was reading all of this and I have learned from it.

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By hiplashone on Friday, March 24, 2000 – 11:37 pm:
Oh no ,not at all wasted!
I am printing all of this knowledge, and I am making copies and giving them to my neighbors, family and friends. And guess what~~~~can’t nobody stop me. So to all dropping knowledge;KEEP KEEPING ON! Soon every Black boy and girl will know about the Afrocentric experience and thier traditions, as long as you all keep posting, I’m going to keep printing it and telling the people I know, for that domino affect. Thanks.

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By Jerrold ( – 151.200.108.30) on Friday, March 24, 2000 – 04:34 pm:
Thanks, HipLaShone. That’s a beautiful way of spreading the word, about how Black people need to be knowledgeable and proud of who we are.

Keep on keeping on. Thanks again.

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By somosunafamilia ( – 129.81.185.75) on Friday, March 24, 2000 – 09:02 pm:
We seem to have forgotten the original post.
The Destruction of Black Civilization is probably the best book that I’ve been exposed to.
It was told to me that people know what they are against but they don’t know what they are for.
I said that to say don’t entertain the european too much, for it is a waste of time. Find out what you are for and move on it. And right now we should be for reading the Destruction of Black Civilization, then come with some of that good planning that is in there.

“Two birds fought over a kernel and a third flew away with it.”

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By Kegimni ( – 64.82.98.1) on Monday, May 29, 2000 – 12:36 am:
I’d like to add my two cents. To understand White Boy’s psyche, you must read a book by Michael Bradley called “Iceman Inheritance”. It speaks volumes of the inherent aggressiveness white men have toward women and others who do not resemble them. Rember brothers and sisters in order for you to educate you must know thyself and thy enemy.

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By JAB ( – 138.26.16.161) on Tuesday, June 13, 2000 – 05:15 pm:
The Destruction of Black Civilization was required reading for a history class I took in college. The Black professor told me that he never had so many (white) students angry with him. This book, along with the Bible which was used as a historical reference, proved that beyond a doubt that Blacks had produced one of the greatest cultures in Egypt along w/ other great civilizations such as Nubia,Babylon,Ethiopia,and India)and w/o the assistance of Europeans or Arabs.

By greg ( – 24.132.81.212) on Monday, June 19, 2000 – 10:57 am:
PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS FROM ME TO YOU

AND TO JAB YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT IF YOU TELL THESE WHITES THE TRUE HISTORY THEY DIE AND IMMEDIATLY START IGNORING THE FACTS

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By Bryan Harman ( – 155.31.19.175) on Monday, June 19, 2000 – 05:06 pm:
It is such a shame that the world’s most primitive

people are taking credit for Ancient Egypt.Some afrocentrists have claimed the Greeks called the Egyptians black.As a educated person I this is misleading in the extreme.For example,Greek writers such as Manilius,Arrian,Ammianus Marcelinus,Strabo,and Flavius Philostratus all described the Ancient Egyptians as either “mildly” dark or “somewhat” dark, but never as black.Did Herodotus say the Ancient Egyptians were black?No! Herodotus was trying to find out where a people called the Colchians came from. The Egyptians said to Herodotus that the Colchians came from Pharaoh Sesostris’s army.Herodotus believed this because the Colchians were black skinned and woolly haired.For starters,Herodotus makes no claim that all of the Egyptians had these features and secondly black Nubian mercenaries served in the Egyptian army which would include Pharaoh Sesostris’s army.Last of all Herodotus would be contradicted by all these other writers I have listed.I would like to conclude by making fun of the fact that slavery,Sexual mutilation of women,tribalism,voodoo,and massive illiteracy exist on the world’s most primitive continent known as Africa.All of this while whites can walk on the moon,or celebrate all our other great accomplishments which are impossible for the primitive negro who is considered the world’s most inferior race.

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By foreversearching ( – 204.196.86.112) on Monday, June 26, 2000 – 10:48 am:
Peace Brothas and Sistas

1. Without getting into a long drawn out story of why i let christianity and islam go, which i feel everyone here understands, could someone suggest a few great books on African centered spirituality by us for us.

2. Will uh sista or brotha refer me to a few great sites on “ebonics”.

p.s. i will start reading the Destruction of Black Civilization in uh week.
thanks and peace

foreversearching

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By DJ ( – 63.27.97.209) on Saturday, July 22, 2000 – 10:23 pm:
I appreciate everyones messages. Even the ones from the white people. Their comments help reafirm what I’ve always believed to be true. Think about it, everyone in the Americas are a collection of people from the East (I guess with the exception of Indians, but I don’t know much about that). And everyone in the Americas tend to have their own history except for the decendents of African people living in America. An easy way to control “free slaves” and all of their offspring including grandchildren’s grandchildren (everyone) is through their mind. If they take what we made and claim it as their own and take us away from our origin and our true history and only feed us lies, if we believe it, we then become brainwashed and although we’re considered to be free we are still mind slaves until we are able to break that cycle as a whole. We have to stop automatically believing in everything we hear because the truth exists in us all. I didn’t figure any of this out by reading a book I did it by reasoning (the thing that seperates man from animals) and examining the worlds history as a whole. It’s kind of like a puzzle all we have to do is put the pieces together from things we hear, see, and read. I’m not saying that nothing is wrong with reading books because I think they are great and I definately plan on finding the book mentioned above, because I love it when my gut feelings turn out to be true, and we were all blessed with it, it’s called intuition and it all relates. I hope someone is able to read this and is feeling where I’m coming from. Another example of this is how they took and continue to take our music especially what they call rock and roll it is the same with history, because history repeats itself in all shapes and sizes. Think about it, I’m going to stop now, cause I feel like I’m preaching. One.

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By Martin ( – 205.188.199.189) on Wednesday, July 26, 2000 – 04:01 am:
A Picture of How Ancient Egyptians saw themselves.

There is a carving on a wall in Egypt that
represents the world’s cultures/peoples as the
Kemetians (Egyptians) saw it THEMSELVES.
It has the Greeks, the Arabs, the nubians and the
Kemetians.

Now as u would expect…the greeks look like
whites, the arabs like arabs (orient),
but……wait a minute…..the Nubians and the
Kemetians look EXACTLY the same. Black Skinned
with fleshy facial features and all…..PURE
BLACK.

I will returen later with an address to where u
can view this picture

No peace until Blacks are self sufficient!!!

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By GREG ( – 24.132.81.212) on Wednesday, July 26, 2000 – 03:41 pm:
to every body open your eyes!!!!!!!!!!

Light Is Caused By Friction Which Is A Form Of Chaos And Destruction. In Some Cases, Light Causes Negative Reactions, And I Can Give Examples Of This. When People Rest, Most People Prefer Darkness Over Light, So They Cut Off The Light In Order To Gain Rest. Now, If The Light’s Are Abruptly Cut On While Some One Is In A State Of Slumber, What Is Their Normal Reaction? They Wake-up, Grumpy, Screaming.. “Turn Off The Lights” Or Maybe Even Threaten You! :o) The Light Disturbed The Darkness, The Same Darkness That Brought PEACE. So Darkness And PEACE Go Hand And Hand, or are one in that same.

When A Baby Is In their Mothers Womb There Is No Light There, Thus The Baby Is In A State Of PEACE Or Darkness. When This Same Baby Comes From The Womb And Meets The Light It’s Peace Is Disrupted, So It Begins To Cry! Once Again The Light Is What Disrupts The Darkness/ Peace!

The Most Sacred Things Can Be Found In Darkness, And Most Of The Most Sacred Things Are Only Hidden To Those Who Can’t See Inter-dimensionally. Like The Brain, The Heart, The Mind, All Things Internal, Including Your GOD! When I Say Inter-dimensionally I Mean You Have To Be Able To See Pass Three Dimensions, Which Is Seeing Beyond Persons, Places And Things.

To Say That One Thing Is Good Is To Say That Another Thing Is Bad! Therefore When The Light Came Friction Between Disagreeable (Bad) And Agreeable (Good) Came To Be. And When Disagreeable And Agreeable Came To Be The “I/ Ego” Came To Be, Separating Things From One Another. Oneness/ Togetherness Is The Exact Opposite Of This, But When The “I/ Ego” Was Created A “Here” And “There” Was Also Created. This Same “Here” And “There” Causes The Separation Of Things And Beings, And This Separation Allows Us To Actually Think That We Are Separate From The Things Around Us. But Light Also Brings With It Illusions, And One Of These Illusions Is Separation (I’ness, Here And There)!

One Comes To Realize That Light Is What Truly Blinds Us, While Darkness Brings Peace, Insight And Togetherness. Light Creates The Thought That “I Am Here And You Are There”, And Enables Us To Think We Are Separate Or Maybe Even Better Than The Things Or People Around Us. When One Comes Into The Fold Of Supreme Darkness/ Supreme Balancement, One Looks Beyond The Light Into The Darkness And Sees That We Are All From One Source And One Force. One Can See That We Are All In “ALL”! We Are One With “ALL” And “ALL” Is One With Us! You Are Not A Special Individual, But A Vital Part Of One Source. It Doesn’t Matter If You Call That Source GOD, Allah/ Ilah, Eloh/ Elohim, Adonai, Osirus, Anu, YHWH Or Jehovah, They All Are A Part Of “ALL”.

So, To Answer The Question Of “Why Would GOD Dwell In Darkness” Is Simple! Because There Is Peace In Darkness, And All Things Come From Darkness. An Example Of This Is COLOR! A Combination Of All Colors Create Black/ Darkness. It Would Then Be Safe To Say That For All Colors To Be, They Must Have Come From Black/ Darkness. So It Would Make A Lot Of Sense That The Bible Would Say GOD Created All Things From The Darkness He Was In, Because Blackness Is The Supreme Balancement Of All Things.

Even In The Bible The Evil One Is Called The “Morning Star” (symbolic of bright brilliant light)! Why not the dark star or the night star? The Evil One Is Also Called The “Illuminated One”, And Is Where The Term “Illuminati” Comes From. So From What We Can See Here, It’s The Light That Cannot Comprehend The Peace Of Blackness, And The Blackness Is Our Key To Peace. It’s The Light That Is Disagreeable, And The Blackness Is Truly Benevolent!

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By IRASTA ( – 195.121.227.104) on Sunday, September 3, 2000 – 01:15 pm:
GREETINGS IN THE NAME OF THE MOST HIGH JAH RASTAFARI HAILE SELASSIE THE FIRST.

THE PROBLEM OF THE BLACK MAN IS THE BLACK MAN HIM SELF.
WHEN HE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE SELASSIE I AS GOD ALMIGHTY, AND NOT THE WHITE JESUS.

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By DARKAND SERIOUS AFRICAN ( – 12.72.64.78) on Thursday, September 7, 2000 – 05:47 am:
EARTH TOO IRASTA, HAILE AIN’T EVEN LOVED BY TO MANY ETHIOPIANS,SO SAVE US THE BS ABOUT HIM BEING GOD. THERE IS NO GOD,SO STOP SPENDING YOUR YRS DREAMING OF ONE. WE ARE THE ONLY GODS WE NEED TO SAVE OURSELFS. ALL CULTS LEAD TO BACKWARDNESS AND DISUNITY. WE ARE OUR OWN SAVIORS,NOT A MAN WHO WASN’T EVEN LOVED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE WHO HE DID SO LITTLE FOR THE MASSES . IF YOUR HONEST YOU’D ADMIT THAT ETHOPIANS ARE SOME OF THE MOST REACTINARY AND RACIST ACTING AFRICANS IN THE WORLD TODAY. THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR ALL THE MYTHOLOGICAL THINGS THAT YOU SO BADLY WANT TO BELIEVE IN.IF YOU WENT THERE THEY WOULD LAUGH AT YOU FOR YOUR IGNORANCES OF JUST WHO AND WHAT THE MAN WAS.
YOU PROBABLY THINK I’M AGAINST YOU,YOUR WRONG. WHAT I’M AGAINST IS ANY FORM OF CULTS OF PERSONALITY AROUND ANY HUMAN BEING,IT’S A WASTE OF TIME.

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By HRH-DARKOVERLORD WATCHING OVER YA ( – 12.72.3.43) on Thursday, September 7, 2000 – 07:37 pm:
Iregular rasta;this is the 2nd time I’ve posted a message to you,it seems unGrand La grand is playing at being a censor again.
What I said was the following ;stop with the stupid myths concerning Haile,cuz he isn’t a god nor is he that respected by his own people. Yes he stood up to the europeans,that was his finest hr.
In our quest to escape the racist colonialism ,we have made hero’s out of anyone who stood up to the white power system,that was good. The problem started when ya felt the need to make of all people Haile more then what he was a feudal dictator.
If your aware of the brief history of Rastafari,you know how resent all of this has been ,not even a 100 yrs.
If you know anything about Ethopia you’d know that they are some of the most reactionary Africans on the continent,toward other Africans.They have what can best be termed as racist attiudes towards othe people of African decent. If you think they would feel postive about your worshiip of Selesie then you really don’t do much traveling.
When people don’t see a why out of their bondage and are powerless they create what s called cults,that later become so-called relgions,this is what the whole Rasta movement is about.
I’ve been wearing locks since 1974,I’ve talk to countless Jamincans. Some like the idea others who are more inclined to follow their past white masters hated all Rasta’s and everything they stood for. This is not my postion,there are postive messages to be learned from any ideology.The pt is where do you leave off the myths and other false teachings that do nothing to push us further toward our goals of mental and physical liberation. Your probably thinking if he ain’t for Seleasie he’s against I AND I,not so. All cults from christiantiy to islam,have the same effect ,to remove us from, the simple fact of what we as Africans must be most aware of.
Ask yourself this question ,have you ever heard of Marcus Garvey proclaiming Haile as some divine savior? We both know the answer to that question,no.
You have a brain and you’ll believe whatever you think can free you from the pain of babalyon. What I want you to understand is this,there are NO GODS, so this means if there are to be changes in our lifes we have to make them. Sooner or later if your a truly concious African you’ll come to this conclusion. On the other hand if this is your drug of choice maybe you’ll never awake from this sleep of the oppressed.
Whatever road you choose ,know this your still my people and I will struggle for your rights like I hope you would mine.

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By GREG ( – 24.132.81.212) on Friday, September 8, 2000 – 01:56 pm:
The Hebrew People of the Bible What Color are They?

For years, people of the world have been led to believe that the people of the bible were white people, when in fact they were black. Hollywood, one of the many contributing factors to this cause, isn’t innocent to this either, they take the front line for the ranks of deception. We the people of the world should not continue to let this occur because the ones to be affected by this will be the children of the future.

Movies, television and some white people portray the people of the bible as white. What should it matter, if they are white or black. Should it matter, if they are white or black? If I were white, I’d say no, and if this was an ideal world and if all affluent people looked like me. But we are living in a world of lies and deception and when the children’s minds develop off of the deception that is being told and taught, then the truth must be brought to the forefront. Also, I am not white and the more affluent doesn’t look like me.

People of color are more vulnerable and are more easily to believe what is being told to them, especially when their history has been erased from their minds, and it is constantly battered in their heads through their educational systems, television, and movie theaters. Well, the time has come for the truth to be told. And what is that truth? That the people of the bible are people of color.

Before I can go forward, I need to go backwards into some history. Lets look at the people of the bible, who had who.

Genesis 10:2-4, Japheth begot Gomer (*Galatians) (**Germany, Crimea, Cambria, Celts), Magog (*Scythians) (**Georgia, Scythians), Madai (*Medes), Javan (*Grecians), Tubal (*Iberes), Meshech (**Moscow), and Tiras. Gomer begot Ashkenaz (*Rheginians) (**Germany, Saxons, Scandavia), Riphath, and Togarmah. Javan begot Elishah, Tarshish, Kittim (**Cyprus) (Abraham ibn Ezra said the Romans were descended from Kittim), and Dodanim. (*denotes The Complete Works of Josephus. **denotes The table of the Nations off the Web)

Genesis 10:6-18, Ham begot Cush (*Ethiopians), Mizraim (*Egypt), Phut (*Libya), and Canaan. Cush begot Nimrod, Seba, Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, and Sabtechah. Raamah begot Sheba and Dedan. Mizraim begot Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, Casluhim, and Caphtorim. Canaan begot Sidon, Heth, Jebusites, Amorites, Girgasites, Hivites, Arkites, Sinites, Arvadites, Zemarites, and Hamathite.

Genesis 10:22-29, Shem begot Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad (*Chaldeans), Lud, and Aram. Aram begot Uz, Hul, Gether, and Mash. Arphaxad begot Salah. Salah begot Eber. Eber begot Peleg (from here comes the family of Abraham) and Joktan. Joktan begot Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab
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And Noah and his wife created Japheth, Ham, and Shem.

After the dispersion of the people by God at the tower of Babel, each went into their own region of the world. Japheth and his family went into Europe. Shem and Ham stayed in the area, so to say.

Mizraim (Egypt) and some of his family went into a land now called Africa, but it wasn’t called Africa then. Cush (Ethiopia) had a very large area which even went into what is now called Middle East. Remember, Nimrod was a Cushite and the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, Erech, Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Around 1913BCE, there was a famine in the land. And due to the famine, Abram (Abraham) and his wife Sarai journeyed to the land of Egypt. But before he entered the land of Egypt he said to Sarai, “Behold now, I know that you art a fair woman to look upon. And it will come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see thee, that they will say: This is his wife; and they will kill me, but thee they will keep alive.”

Now the incident came to pass, but Rabbi Shelomoh Yitschaki, Solomon ben Isaac, also known as Rashi, said in his commentaries, reference behold now, I know that thou art a fair woman, “Knowing that you are beautiful, I realize that your beauty is now a source of danger, particularly since the Egyptians are dark-skinned and ugly.” Besides this being a ridiculous comment, the point that I am trying to point out is the fact that the Rabbi has stated that the Egyptians were people of color. Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary defines black as, “Having a dark skin . . . ” and “a person belonging to a dark skinned race . .

. ” This may seem irrelevant now, but this quote by Rashi is going to back fire on him. Stick with me. Also at least they have finally admitted that the Egyptians were people of color.

Next, Joseph, one of the twelve sons of Jacob, from the twelve tribes of Israel, was sold to some Ishmaelites by his brothers out of anger. The Ishmaelites took Joseph into Egypt and sold him to the Egyptians. Later a famine had struck the land of Egypt and Canaan and according to the Bible all the lands and was very devastating. Jacob instructed several of his sons to go into Egypt and buy food because Egypt had enough to sell.

When the brothers of Joseph, the sons of Jacob had entered the land of Egypt, they were told to see a particular person. Not knowing oh the individual was they were going to see, when they faced him, they didn’t recognize him, but Joseph recognized them. If Joseph is supposed to be a white person, and he was in the mist of black people, don’t you think his brothers would have recognized him immediately. Why didn’t his brothers recognize him immediately? Could it have been due to him being black amongst black people and he blended in? A white person definitely would have been able to be pointed out if he was amongst black slaves during slavery time. Don’t you think?

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By GREG ( – 24.132.81.212) on Friday, September 8, 2000 – 01:56 pm:
Next, while the Israelites were living in the land of Egypt, Pharaoh had commanded for all the Israelite males to be exterminated. Now during this time, a couple from the Israelite people had borne a son, and they had hid him for three months. When they couldn’t hide him no longer, she put the child into a basket and placed it among the reeds by the bank of the Nile. The daughter of Pharaoh, wanting to bathe in the Nile, went to the banks and saw the basket among the reeds and when she opened the basket she saw a baby in it. Being that the baby was very young, she instructed a Hebrew family, coincidently the baby’s mother, to nurse the child until he was weaned. Once he was weaned, she brought the boy to her father and asked if she could keep the child, and her father said yes. Also, the baby was named Moses.

Remembering that the Egyptians were black, if Moses was white and knowing that Pharaoh had issued a decree to kill all the Hebrew males, wouldn’t he have killed Moses immediately when she brought this supposedly white child into her father’s house? Also, if he was white, do you think Pharaoh’s daughter would have even let the child live when she found him by the Nile? Obviously we must say no.

Finally, Moses lived amongst the Egyptians for years and one day when he saw an Egyptian abusing a Hebrew, he came to the aide of the Hebrew and killed the Egyptian. Knowing that the word would get out and back to Pharaoh, he fled Egypt and went to the land of Midian. Upon entering Midian he came to the aide of some women of the land and helped them. They were very grateful and ran back and told their father that an “Egyptian” saved them.

Again, if he was mistaking for an Egyptian, and knowing that the Egyptians are supposedly dark-skinned and ugly, does this make Moses dark-skinned and ugly too? This is where people need to watch what they say. It may come back to haunt you.

What I have presented here, which is merely speculation. The only proof that I have given where someone has said the Egyptians where black was by the Rabbi. So let me notegive more facts for you to think about.

Herodotus (484? -425? BC) was one of the most widely traveled people of his time. His writings show his interest in both history and geography. Herodotus was born in Halicarnassus, a Greek colony in Asia Minor. He was a frequent visitor to Athens, he was a close friend of Sophocles. He also journeyed to the western shores of the Black Sea, to southern Italy and Egypt, and to the Asian cities of Tyre, Babylon, Ecbatana, Nineveh, and Susa, says the Compton’s Interactive encyclopedia.

During his travels, Herodotus kept a journal of his activities. The journal was later translated, and in one of his entries, he wrote the following about the Egyptians or to be more exact the natives:

” …it is certain that the natives of the country are black . . . ; there can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptians race . . . I made this inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them . . . My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair . . . ”

Now, what I have done here is give a positive identification of the Egyptians. And by me doing this and showing that the Israelites always got mistaken for them, prove that they both, the Egyptians and the Israelites were black people.

You may still have your doubts and desire more evidence before you will acknowledge that the Bibilical Israelites were a black people. So, allow me to continue.
Solomon Grayzel, a white Jewish historian, wrote in his book, A History of the Jews, in the ninth century CE (AD), a man appeared in north Africa among the Hebrews there, his name was Eldad from the tribe of Dan, he was a danite. They said he spoke a strange language and told them a weird story. He said the members of his tribe had escaped Israel after Sennacherib had conquered Israel, and other Hebrews from other tribes also live in the land from where he came from. He told the Hebrews in the northern part of Africa all the law that his people follow, which was given to his tribe by tradition from Moses successor Joshua ben Nun. The Hebrews of the northern part of Africa at first was in question about his story, but threw further examine by the Gaon, he assured the northern African Hebrews the story was legitimate.

I have mentioned this story because Mr Grayzel went on to say, “Some modern scholars argue that Eldad was an Ethiopian Jew, a descendant of the ancient colony which, in the days of Ezra, lived on the southern border of Egypt . . . ” If you know your history, and if you know what color the Ethiopian Jews are, then you have already come to the conclusion that Eldad the Danite, from the tribe of Dan, one of the twelve tribes of Israel was a black man.

Another story that I want to tell you about is in a book entitled “The Hope of Israel,” by Menasseh ben Israel which was published 1652. In it speaks of an incident that occurred with a traveler named Antonio de Montezinos. It says upon Montezinos return from the Americas, it is sufficient here to know that he has found the descendants of the lost ten tribes. At this point, I am going to quote the letter from Menasseh ben Israel to John Dury concerning what he said. The letter was dated 25 November 1649 and it reads, “Curiously enough, in the sixteenth century one Antonio Montesino of Lima stated, according to the writings of Luis Lopez, Bishop of Quito, that The Indians of the islands and mainland of the Indies . . . are Hebrews descended from the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel’. And he did say further in his book, “that they keepe their true religion, as hoping to returne again into the Holy land in due time.”

People, if this isn’t enough proof as to say what color the Hebrews were, then you are truly in a state of denial.

Also, as for a pictorial concerning the children of Israel. In a documentary on the Art & Entertainment channel, titled In Search of The Ten Commandments, it showed an ancient hieroglyphic picture of the Israelites while they were slaves in Egypt, and they were black. They looked just like the Egyptians. So I can see why Moses was mistaken for an Egyptian, and why Joseph wasn’t recognized by his brothers.

Finally, I am going to list three passages from the bible identifying the color of the Israelites. They are:
Lamentation 4:8, Their visage (face) is blacker than coal
Lamentation 5:10, Our skin was black like an oven . . .
; And Job 30:30, My skin is black upon me . . .

In this document, I have given enough information proving that the Hebrews are black people. But I say to you all, this isn’t enough. Teach your children the truth!

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By bmawute ( – 206.170.78.254) on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 – 04:12 pm:
To DarkandSerious Afrikan – There is a God. Only you can find him. To Foreversearching – I am sorry to hear that you let Islam go. Islam only means peach and Muslim means submission to the will of God. I believe we all want peace and if you believe in the higher power, submission to him is not a problem, as he only wants what is good for us if we are obedient. Who better to know what is best for you than HE who created you. I also believe all people of color believe in the Creator irregardless of what you call him. He said, “I will be called by many names”. In regards to the European, all we need to do is just leave him alone and stay away from him and he will self destruct and disappear. Black people, stay prayerful, stay focused, continue to study and seek truth and truth will be revealed to you. Black Man Rising!

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By Dark and contemplative ( – 12.72.0.254) on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 – 09:00 pm:
Because i feel you mean well,I’ll refrain from being to harsh with you.
I’m an ATHEIST,I was never involved with Islam,even though I have family members that are. Unlike yourself I don’t feel any need or desire to believe in any form of supreme being. My feels are the following;your need to believe is your drug to ward off the pain of dealing with this insane world we live in.
On the subject of white people I deal with those who are attempting in some concrete way ,to struggle with white racism,the rest I deal with in whatever form they present themselves as.
I have no illusions about all African people being in unity,or even feeling the need for struggle,so the samething applies to them.
Your need for Islam is your need,not my. On things we can agree on I’m more then willing to support and contribute to the dicussion. So welcome to the forum,it’s good to hear from you even though I don’t agree with you ,your input is good.

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By Dark and tired of UNGRAND LEGRAND,the poser! ( – 12.72.0.250) on Wednesday, September 20, 2000 – 03:24 pm:
This is my 2nd attempt at responding to you bmawute.
Ungrand Legrand,who host this forum is a censoring fanatic,he needs to go to a conservative right wing NEGRO site. This isn’t the first time I’ve confronted him about this silliness.He’s suppose to be a historian and a lawyer,yet he can’t deal with certain opinions I have on the topics and response of some of the posters.
This is a stupid idea,trying to control what he thinks others should say,considering that the rest of this site doesn’t feel the need to follow suite.So I don’t expect you’ll see this post either,since UNGRAND IS ACTING LIKE SOME RIGHT WING FACIST!
UNGRANDLegrand if I ever get to confront you ,you can depend on me telling you the same thing face to face.Stop tryna control ideas and opinions.
What I said Bmawute is that I’m an ATHEIST, it doesn’t matter to me what reglious belief you have cause all of it is a form of drugs,for the masses who feel the need to want to believe in something called——–,whatever you want to call it.
Now since this is so threatening to Ungrand LEGRAND,I assume he’s like you a believer in relgious myths. I guess it just shows with all the knowledge of African history and law ,TINY MINDED UNGRAND Legrand still can’t get beyond his antiquated beliefs concerning what’s called religion,so much for giving the appearance of being a progressive African THINKER!

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By Pharoah #1 ( – 199.180.3.66) on Sunday, September 24, 2000 – 11:57 pm:
Hotep

This is just a greeting to my brothers & sisters, not for sick white folks that hate human beings because of their god given features and culture that God Ra blessed us to embrace. The comments made by white boy(peckerwood) is just reminder why we must continue to seek the truth and not settle for historical info. from whites,arabs etc. and that we need to settle our petty differances and truely love each other as africans. Let us not get upset when we here comments from the devil, continue to study and build upon your knowledge that you were blessed by god to receive.

I beleive that brother Dale Jones said it best in his documentary ( The American Nigger Factory ) when you let others get into your culture it is on mickey mouse. Meaning that when you take white folks for chumps and suckers and we let them dictate the course of our community, fianance,history and the education of our children then we have lost the battle for freedom and equallity.

Hotep, kemites.

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By Drew Peters ( – 24.164.152.3) on Sunday, October 1, 2000 – 03:49 pm:
Race is NOT Culture

The differences between an African-American and a white American are infintesimal compared to the differences between an African-American and a Frenchman of African descent. Ask a dark-skinned man from Guadaloupe what he is and he will tell you that he is French. His race is not important to his identity.

Why do Americans of Black West Indian origin and African Americans whose forebears were established in the northern states before the Emancipation Proclamation have income levels typical of caucasians while othe African-Americans do not?

Which of the 7 values of the Kwanzaa holiday are cultural blocks to economic advancement? (None of these are found in all African cultures but can be identified in non-African cultures like India).

Why is Eithiopia so rich in architectural heritage? Why has Ethiopian Airways always been regarded as one of the industries finest? Why are Eithiopian banks so strong?

Why do African-American tourists cry when they are told by West African tour guides that slaves were captured and remained the property of other Africans until delivered to the docks? Why do Africans think the African-American tourist’s reaction is strange?

Why do so many African-Americans have such a strong racial identity? Does this present problems for black immigrants that come from cultural backgrounds less racially defined?

Why does the US have to rely on immigration from India to keep the technology industry strong?

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By Ms. Sprung ( – 206.128.192.142) on Friday, October 20, 2000 – 04:47 pm:
I congratulate people like BMAWUTE for having as the center of his or her message the purpose of “staying focused”, because if we keep falling into the sick games and evident sense of inferiority as shown by the negative contributions some white folks have done, we will fall into their trap and convert this discussion into a war zone, or a source for exchange of insults instead of the determined uplifting purposes it is intended to. For instance, BRYAN HARMAN calls himself and ‘educated person’, but he goes on to state that some Arabs are darker than black people. There is proof that blacks were the first human species on Earth, and remember that the Arabs invaded Egypt, which of course involves racial mixture and explains why there are Arabs who are very dark. You would realize that the world’s black culture is filled with people of different skin tones which go from the lightest cinamon shades to the deepest, sweetest darkest black! Yes, I add sweetest because everytime I set my eyes on a very dark man, I just melt by contemplating such a Godly gift! Oh…when you refer to slavery and sexual violence in Africa, remember that those are actions initiated by whites. Hitler is a perfect example of violence and hatred, and if you want to talk about inferiority, his whole purpose for wanting to exterminate Jews was based on feelings and concepts of inferiority, as well as the caucasian invadors of Africa who envied the strenght of the black man, the beauty and resistance of his skin, not to mention the covetting of the overwhelming physical and spiritual attributes of splendid black women. If you are physically, emotionally and spiritually secure…WHY DO YOU LOOK UPON OTHERS??? WHY BOTHER THEM???? WHY QUESTION THEM??? WHY THE NEED TO DOMINATE THEM???? WHY SO INTREIGUED AND DISGUISINGLY FASCINATED BY THEM IN SO MANY FORMS???? If the Arian Nation was all that, then why trouble the Jews? If Europe and all caucasians were sufficiently secure, why did they need Africans to subject them to slavery, and to help build what we have today? Were white women not enough for them? IF THEY ARE SO PERFECT AND PURE!!!! Why is the world so multi-racial today, with black traits and prints beaming in most regions of the world? Some people just can’t face the fact that the black race is the most underestimated, but influential and intreiguing one in existance. We have always been here. Presently, they still try to put us down, and cleverly promote disputes and conflicts among ourselves, but they will never extinguish us, and the more they try to bring us down, insult us, and discredit us, the more the thruth will emerge, and their fear and intimidation becomes more evident.
GREG, loved your comments on “darkness”! KEGIMI!!! You go, you black beautiful child of God!…because if any athiest reads the Bible he or she will realize that actual world events coincide with what it expresses. Proof is the success of every theory, and what’s going on in Israel and the Middle East is spread out in the Bible, as well as the proof provided by this web site concerning black people beginning civilization!

Ms. Sprung!

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By Know-thy-self ( – 205.188.192.53) on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 – 02:09 am:
What was the point of that last post DREW PETERS?

I notice that whites/househands come to this
site preaching every culture love one another….

But when attempts to make positive/Unifying
Relationships relationships With Continental
Africans are made….They go on a mad frenzy
trying to point out our differences and laying
seeds for devision.

These are basically attempts bye the white culture
to gain the Loyalty of the Black culture. Not our
equality….loyalty. And if we give it to
them…the will joyously use as house hands to
further colonialize and rape the resources of the
richest continent in the world……

AFRICA

Europeans control the ENTIRE continent of Africa.
They devided up the land like a giant pizza…each
Europeans gettin their own little piece (German,
French, English, etc.)

We do have one large similarity…WE BOTH LIVE
UNDER THE SAME EUROPEAN DOMINATION!!!!

and ps
Shallow Capitalism is not a culture. That is the
only thing we have in common Drew peters.

PPS
Please refrain from speaking for blacks in other
parts of the World on what their cultural values
are. You do not reserve the right.
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By bmawute ( – 206.170.78.254) on Thursday, October 26, 2000 – 03:32 pm:
To Dark and Contemplative – If you do not believe in God or the Higher Power, who do you believe in, and where do you think the human family comes from? You notice that I DID say human, I did not say mankind. Hue means color. Surely you don’t believe in the theory of evolution!

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By bmawute ( – 206.170.78.254) on Thursday, October 26, 2000 – 03:52 pm:
To Know Thy Self – Very well put my brother. Shallow capitalism IS the only thing we really have in common with them. It is amazing how they think that even as we struggle for our true identity, we must have them to help to guide and direct us with this also. How arrogant! Peace and Love.

Black Man Rising!

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By DARK AND EXTREMELY SERIOUS! ( – 12.72.1.40) on Friday, October 27, 2000 – 02:42 pm:
WHO OR WHAT DO I BELIEVE IN YOU ASK. I BELIEVE IN THE BETTER QUALITIES OF THE THINGS THAT CALL THEMSELVES HUMANS.YES I DO BELIEVE IN WHAT’S CALLED EVOLUTION. THE SO-CALLED HUMAN FAMILY COMES FROM THE UNIVERSE.IT IS PART OF ALL THAT IS.
NOW OF COURSE THIS PROBABLY SEEMS TO SIMPLE FOR YOU,TO BELIEVE. WHAT I’VE SEEN FROM YOU TELLS ME YOUR LIKE MOST SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL OR RELGIOUS,PEOPLE YOU SEEK TO MAKE EVERYTHING INTO SOME FORM OF CONVOLUTED MYSTERY LACED WITH ALOT OF MEANINGLESS THEORIES,ABOUT SUPERNATURAL FORCES,WHAT YOU CALL GOD!

TO ME IT’S ALL MEANINGLESS PSYCHO BABBLE,FOR THE MASSES AND THOSE WHO ARE AFRAID OF THE WORLD THEY LIVE IN.SINCE NONE OF THIS MADNESS HAS EVER HAD A POSTIVE AFFECT ON OUR COLLECTIVE STRUGGLES,IT’S MEANINGLESS TO EVEN WASTE MY MIND ON THE TOPIC.

HISTORICALLY RELGIONS HAVE BEEN AND CONTIUNE TO BE VEHICLES TO CONTROL AND MISDIRECT HUMANS. EVEN IN TODAYS WORLD WE SEE IT BEING,PLAYED OUT ALL OF OVER THE WORLD,FROM AFRICA TO THE MIDDLE EAST.

TO ME PHILOSOPHY IS THE MEAT OF DEAD MEN AND RELGIOUS MANIA IS THE BREAD. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT IN A NUT SHELL,REAL SIMPLE AND WITH OUT ALOT OF HOCUS POCUS!

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By MenNefer ( – 152.163.213.47) on Thursday, November 23, 2000 – 02:46 am:
Tua NETER!! MAN..THIS WEB PAGE IS WILD AND REVEALS THE MALAISE THAT RUNS RAMPID AMONGST ALL CULTURES AND FURTHER DELUDES.I HAVE A PROVERB TO OFFER…DO NOT SEEK TO FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF THE MEN OF OLD;SEEK WHAT THEY SOUGHT.IN NO WAY AM I GOING TO TRY AND INTIMATE SOME MAGICAL TRANFORMATIVE LINEAR PHRASE TO TRY AND CALIBRATE,FURTHER MORE, CIVILIZE A MIND IN NEED OF SPIRITUAL REMUNERATION,I ONLY WANT TO SAY STOP ARGUING OVER A FALLIABLE STRUCTURE STOP CRYING AND TRYING TO PROVE TO EACH OTHER AD NAUSEUM THE ETHNICITY OF THE ANCIENT ONES ,THOSE WHO TRULY KNOW SHOULD BE PROUD THAT DOGS HAVE CONFLUENCED AROUND THE TABLE TO GET SCRAPS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE TRUTH TOO BUT NOT THE REALITY OF THE CULTURE HMMM THERE WHITE WIG WEARING ANCESTORES SPENT ARDUOUS YEARS TRYING TO PUT A DAMN LABEL ON EVERYTHING AND WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THATS GOING TO STOP,IF YOU WANT TO CHECK ONE OF THESE PSUEDOCONCIOUS NEGROES TRY LIVING THE LAWS OF MA-AT ,LET HER MEANING AND ESSENCE PERVADE YOUR SPHERE OF AWARENESS IF NOT WE KAMAU WE MA-AT KHERU ARE NOT TRYING TO HERE ANYMORE INANE RANTINGS SPEW FORTH FROM YOUR FORKED TOUNGE NO MATTER WHAT SHADE YOU REPRESENTING THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH!!!!!!

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By Darkoverlord;waitng to see what this is all about ( – 12.72.0.107) on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 – 02:45 pm:
In order to communicate a message,you have to speak in words that reflect what it is your trying to say. Speaking metaporically ,doesn’t work for the unenlightened.
Since your here,we have to ask what did ya bring,besides a few expressions frmon the muter neter. Being PADONTIC,serves what purpose,or then to mysitfy ?If ya came with info. then make it seen,if ya came with more deliberate mysicism,we’ve seen it all before.

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By DARKOVERLORD ( – 164.124.250.203) on Wednesday, November 29, 2000 – 11:23 pm:
IT MUST BE BEING EBONICS OR SOMETHING-AND SHE-IT!!

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By Ptah Da Architect ( – 216.42.39.154) on Wednesday, December 6, 2000 – 12:15 pm:
Em Hotep, I have this book & I must say that although I haven’t finished it yet it is a MUST HAVE! I’m not all for wild-out theories on the ethnicity of our ancestors but I am for correcting the wrong and the mis-takes made when portraying us (Africans) to the world. Honestly if you KNOW then it won’t matter about debating who was black & who wasn’t. Mer Ua Em Hotep Ptah

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By Angela Diarberry ( – 24.229.76.95) on Friday, December 8, 2000 – 12:04 am:
I am here because I homeschool my children and want to know what to teach my children about kwanzaa. I have never been taught anything about it. I have a few questions:

1. Does having a separate holiday for black people contribute to the lack of unity among whites and blacks? Isn’t the goal equality rather than constantly pointing out our differences? How will we ever have peace if we don’t “melt” together?
2. Why do black people refer to themselves as African-Americans? Wouldn’t it be more conducive to peace if we just called each other American? I mean, I don’t go around calling myself European American. I did have ancestors who were from European descent, but they were all dead years before I was born and I have no desire to live in Europe. My connections, my patriotism, and my roots are all 100% American.
3. Is it silly for white people to celebrate Kwanzaa? (Similar to how non-Irish people celebrate St. Patrick’s day) Why or why not?

Hopefully we can benefit from good, intelligent dialog.

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By propheTess ( – 204.0.154.135) on Wednesday, December 20, 2000 – 05:32 pm:
To any very confused person: this is for you.

Mathematically, logically and with intelligent reasoning ( as one brother put it earlier on)
you may judge superiority in race by their ability
to survive and endure any circumstance. The being that develops and masters this technique; whether they are literate or not, black, white, red or green,fast or slow,civilized /uncivilized, etc…
This Being of existance (Collectively) is historically far more superior on earth & through
out the Universe. DO THE MATH and STUDY UP ON THAT STORY(NOT HIS STORY)!

KEEP RISING MY BEAUTIFUL BLACK PEOPLE- propheTess

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By Mike E ( – 205.212.150.240) on Tuesday, December 26, 2000 – 10:30 am:
To Angela Diarberry
I would not teach my kids anything about kwanzaa the whole “so called holiday” is nothing but racism, it was a made up holiday to push along racism and if you were to talk to the people that follow this stuff you will find out they hate whites, asian’s, european’s, you will even find out that they even hate black’s that don’t believe there garbage, it’s like this african american stuff, I have asked WHERE is AFRICA AMERICA, and nobody has answered me yet, and the ones that say that the true God of the bible KJV is black have no proof of that, there taking verses out of context, what was Jesus He was a Jew, the earth is only 6000-7000 years old we can prove that, we know the different colors and races started at the tower bable, the bible say’s that but it says nothing of what color Adam was as far as I can find, so no I would not teach your children about kwanzaa it is about hate!!!

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By Blondie ( – 209.46.58.254) on Friday, December 29, 2000 – 03:41 pm:
Wow- to Angela Diarberry- Congrats on teaching your children the importance of different cultures! I am also a white female that is studying up on different cultures/traditions/ roles/race ect. and have questions raised like yours. I hope someone that is open-minded, honest and willing to teach, not preach, can/will answer them. I am interested in seeing the black American’s point of view. I know that I share the same view as in question #2. I could give many of my own answers- but they always tend to lead to more questions! Also, for whites to celebrate Kwanzaa, would it be hipprocritical? I know I wouldn’t celebrate Hannakuh- but that is religious. Kwanzaa carries some very strong points for any culture.
I had to say “wow” at the beginning because of the response from Mike E.. My own personal opinion is that he is an idiot, and an embarrasasment to my race, and should just have his mouth taped and then thrown into a corner. But maybe Angela should show his answer to her children and see what they learn from it. Sometimes studying ignorance can be the best lesson.
I came to this website to learn about Kwanzaa, and end up for the last hour reading through letters about arguements I didn’t even know exsisted/mattered, of frustation, of rage. The arguement of who came first amazes me. To me, it makes sense the black people orginated first. Life will begin to exist where conditions are optimal. Humans started to lose color, “became white,” when they migrated to northern, colder conditions. Dark pigment, fleshy facial features disappeared when they hindered survival in the cooler climates. I don’t agree with the arguement that whites are selfish and greedy, but if you look at it, as a primitive being, living in the cold, snow, having to search for food, don’t you think as a people, it makes sense that whites are more aggressive? And does that really make whites evil? I think it is more of terms of survival of the fittest. I don’t know. Please don’t think I’m trivialising anything, and maybe I am way off base. I’m trying to learn, and unfortunately there is no easy answer. At least not in the US. I just think too many people get caught up on little things, and it becomes whoever can scream the loudest wins.
So anyway- that’s this white girl’s 2 cents.

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By Tjmax ( – 209.240.220.242) on Friday, January 5, 2001 – 02:05 pm:
So many whites have come to black sites to try to discredit afrocentric history,so rather than keep throwing hurtful words back and forth at each other,whitch do not add any insight
to this debate,so am about to bring some insight to the afrocentric debate.I’ll first quote some white scholars and their research and then we can move on to quote the ancient people who saw and understood what they were seening.Now,first we’ll see what some modern whites had to say,then we’ll go on to what the ancient people had to say[from the book The missing pages of his-story by Indus Khamit Kush :Professor Beatrice lumpkin raises a very critical question[why haven’t we been taught that the base of our so-called western civilization was created by the African peoples of Egypt

Two other European historians put it like this:The hisorians R.R.Palmer and joel calton in their massive book A History of the modern world wrote:There was really no Europe in ancient times.Europeans were by no means the pioneers of human civilization.Half of recorded history had passed before anyone in Europe could read or write.The priests of Egypt began to keep written records between 4000 and 3000 B.C.,while the pharaohs were building the frst pyramids,Europeans were creating nothing more distinguishe than huge garbage heaps. Jacques Weulersse,a French historian,in his work L’Afrique Noire compares Africa with Europe and candidly writes:At a time when all Europe was only savagery,when Paris and london were swamps, and Rome and Athens uninhabited sites, Africa already possessed an antique civilization in the valley of the nile;it had populous cities…great public works,sciences,and arts;it had already produced Gods. Was it not Aristotle who said:The races that live in cold regions and those of Europe are full of courage and passion but somewhat lacking in skill and brain power;they lack political cohesion and the ability to rule others. Professor Erman in his book,life in ancient Egypt states:Ethnologists assert that nothing exists in the physical structure of the Egyptian to distinguish him from the native African,and that from the Egyptian to the negro population of tropical Africa,a series of links exist which do not admit of a break. Egyptologist G.R.Gliddon lays out the conclusion we must come to if we accept the African origins of the ancient Egyptians:so far then,as the record,scriptural,historical and monumental,will afford us an insight into the early progress of the human race in Egypt[the most ancient of allcivilized countries]that civilization originated in Ethiopia,and consequently among an African people,and was by them brought down the nile…we,who trace back to Egypt the origins of every art and science known in antiquity,have to thank the sable Negro…for the first gleams of knowledge and invention. According to the scholar,Joseph McCabe:”…our ancestors remained…pure barbarians,during the two thousand years when the dark men…were constructing civilization…until about 700B.C. the philosophers of the world would have said that white men seemed incapable of civilization…quoteing from the book ,The new science and the story of evolution,p.292-98. Gaston Masoero[1846-1916]on the opinion of all the ancient writers on te Egyptian race states:By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians,they belonged to an African race. There is a lot more,but my time is limited,so I leave you with this by that eminent black scholar and historian,John Henrik Clarke,who once commented:some people…had come to your land taken you over,processed your mind into thinking he has always been civilized and you have always been waiting for him to bring the light.What happened when you found out that he had no light.

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By bmawute ( – 206.170.78.254) on Friday, January 5, 2001 – 04:35 pm:
God created himself out of triple darkness and then he made man in his image and after his own likeness. The original man was black. There is no question about that. Archeologists of all races have to acknowledge that fact. They have been digging all over the world for many many years and everything that they dig up looks like Black people. This certainly bears witness to who was here first. The european’s history can only be traced back 6,000 years, that is why he tries to make people believe that that is when the earth started. He wants to take credit for the pyramids, but he was not there. With all of his technology, he still cannot explain how the pyramids remain at 72 degrees at all times. It baffles him. The Black man goes back millions of years, this is why I can’t understand how we can allow the european to tell us about God and who he is. How arrogant of him, how gullible of us, when we survived for so many centuries before he was even created. Do we really believe that we knew nothing of God and spirituality before his late arrival. He is the last species of mankind to arrive on the planet and has raised more hell and caused more death and destruction than all of the other races combined. One only has to study, pray for understanding and use common sense to understand who we are and what our purpose is. When you look into the eyes of the Black Man and Black Woman, you are looking into the eyes of GOD! This is why the european feels so compelled to keep us deaf, dumb, blind and divided. He knows that if you study your origins and understand where and who you came from, you will no longer look at him with a kind of awe and worship. You will begin to see that he is not a giant after all. He is a master of illusion and trickery. You will no longer fear him and you will take your rightful place in the world, and that is on top. This is why he fears you and feels a need to keep the Black race divided. He doesn’t have a problem with Jewish, Asian, Korean, or Mexican unity, but every time we talk about unity, he tells us that we are just americans and calls us racists when we make an effort to heal our families and communities. If we are really “just americans”, why are we always at the bottom of everything that is good, and at the top of everything that is negative? Wake up Black Man and Black Woman. Stay focused, stay prayerful and obedient and continue to study and then we will awaken from this deep sleep that we have been put into. We are a beautiful, intelligent, creative and magnificent people when we are in our right minds.
Black Man Rising!

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By Madhuri Kayvalya ( – 63.44.251.208) on Saturday, February 24, 2001 – 02:44 am:
The Hitler Project
Bush Property Seized–Trading with the Enemy

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

President Bush’s family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results.

The facts presented here must be known, and their implications reflected upon, for a proper understanding of President George Herbert Walker Bush and of the danger to mankind that he represents. The President’s family fortune was largely a result of the Hitler project. The powerful Anglo-American family associations, which later boosted him into the Central Intelligence Agency and up to the White House, were his father’s partners in the Hitler project.

By deciding that Prescott Bush and the other directors of the Union Banking Corp. were legally front men for the Nazis, the government avoided the more important historical issue: In what way were Hitler’s Nazis themselves hired, armed and instructed by the New York and London clique of which Prescott Bush was an executive manager? Let us examine the Harriman-Bush Hitler project from the 1920s until it was partially broken up, to seek an answer for that question.

Origin and Extent of the Project
Fritz Thyssen and his business partners are universally recognized as the most important German financiers of Adolf Hitler’s takeover of Germany. At the time of the order seizing the Thyssen family’s Union Banking Corp., Mr. Fritz Thyssen had already published his famous book, I Paid Hitler, admitting that he had financed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi movement since October 1923. Thyssen’s role as the leading early backer of Hitler’s grab for power in Germany had been noted by U.S. diplomats in Berlin in 1932

Prescott Bush became vice president of W.A. Harriman & Co. in 1926. That same year, a friend of Harriman and Bush set up a giant new organization for their client Fritz Thyssen, prime sponsor of politician Adolf Hitler. The new German Steel Trust, Germany’s largest industrial corporation, was organized in 1926 by Wall Street banker Clarence Dillon. Dillon was the old comrade of Prescott Bush’s father Sam Bush from the “ Merchants of Death ” bureau in World War I.

Brown Brothers had a racial tradition that fitted it well for the Hitler project! American patriots had cursed its name back in U.S. Civil War days. Brown Brothers, with offices in the U.S.A. and in England, had carried on their ships fully 75 percent of the slave cotton from the American South over to British mill owners. Now in 1931, the virtual dictator of world finance, Bank of England Governor Montagu Collet Norman, was a former Brown Brothers partner, whose grandfather had been boss of Brown Brothers during the U.S. Civil War.

In 1931, while Prescott Bush ran the New York office of Brown Brothers Harriman, Prescott’s partner was Montagu Norman’s intimate friend Thatcher Brown. The Bank of England chief always stayed at the home of Prescott’s partner on his hush-hush trips to New York. Prescott Bush concentrated on the firm’s German activities

Hitler’s Ladder to Power
Adolf Hitler became Chancellor of Germany January 30, 1933, and absolute dictator in March 1933, after two years of expensive and violent lobbying and electioneering. Two affiliates of the Bush-Harriman organization played great parts in this criminal undertaking: Thyssen’s German Steel Trust; and the Hamburg-Amerika Line and several of its executives

The Flick-Harriman partnership was directly supervised by Prescott Bush, President Bush’s father, and by George Walker, President Bush’s grandfather.

On March 19, 1934, Prescott Bush–then director of the German Steel Trust’s Union Banking Corporation–initiated an alert to the absent Averell Harriman about a problem which had developed in the Flick partnership. Bush sent Harriman a clipping from the New York Times of that day, which reported that the Polish government was fighting back against American and German stockholders who controlled “ Poland’s largest industrial unit, the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company…. ”

Warrants were issued in December for several directors accused of tax evasions. They were German citizens and they fled. They were replaced by Poles. Herr Flick, regarding this as an attempt to make the company’s board entirely Polish, retaliated by restricting credits until the new Polish directors were unable to pay the workmen regularly. ”

The Times noted that the company’s mines and mills “ employ 25,000 men and account for 45 percent of Poland’s total steel output and 12 percent of her coal production. Two-thirds of the company’s stock is owned by Friedrich Flick, a leading German steel industrialist, and the remainder is owned by interests in the United States. ”

In view of the fact that a great deal of Polish output was being exported to Hitler Germany under depression conditions, the Polish government thought that Prescott Bush, Harriman and their Nazi partners should at least pay full taxes on their Polish holdings. The U.S. and Nazi owners responded with a lockout.

Nazi tanks and bombs “ settled ” this dispute in September, 1939 with the invasion of Poland, beginning World War II. The Nazi army had been equipped by Flick, Harriman, Walker and Bush, with materials essentially stolen from Poland.

In many ways, Bush’s Hamburg-Amerika Line was the pivot for the entire Hitler project

The Schroeder family of bankers was a linchpin for the Nazi activities of Harriman and Prescott Bush, closely tied to their lawyers Allen and John Foster Dulles.

Baron Kurt von Schroeder was co-director of the massive Thyssen-Hu@autte foundry along with Johann Groeninger, Prescott Bush’s New York bank partner. Kurt von Schroeder was treasurer of the support organization for the Nazi Party’s private armies, to which Friedrich Flick contributed. Kurt von Schroeder and Hjalmar Schacht together made the final arrangements for Hitler to enter the government.

Baron Rudolph von Schroeder was vice president and director of the Hamburg-Amerika Line. Long an intimate contact of Averell Harriman’s in Germany, Baron Rudolph sent his grandson Baron Johann Rudolph for a tour of Prescott Bush’s Brown Brothers Harriman offices in New York City in December 1932–on the eve of their Hitler-triumph.

Certain actions taken directly by the Harriman-Bush shipping line in 1932 must be ranked among the gravest acts of treason in this century.

The U.S. embassy in Berlin reported back to Washington that the “ costly election campaigns ” and “ the cost of maintaining a private army of 300,000 to 400,000 men ” had raised questions as to the Nazis’ financial backers. The constitutional government of the German republic moved to defend national freedom by ordering the Nazi Party private armies disbanded. The U.S. embassy reported that the Hamburg-Amerika Line was purchasing and distributing propaganda attacks against the German government, for attempting this last-minute crackdown on Hitler’s forces.

For his part in the Hitler revolution, Prescott Bush was paid a fortune.

This is the legacy he left to his son, President George Bush.

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography — by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

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By Chugalug ( – 64.167.88.42) on Tuesday, April 24, 2001 – 07:42 pm:
Race is irrelevant. Race is only a veil. Life is an individual struggle. “The Races” should stop pointing fingers at each other; it is pointless and childish. We all need to take responsibility for our own souls. Despite what those who would control you would have you believe, the personal is NOT political. It’s time to stop jerking off.

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By Damani6 ( – 161.149.50.100) on Tuesday, May 8, 2001 – 07:47 pm:
Hey Whiteboy!

You have no claim to America since you cannot digest the fact that the cement that is the foundation of America is held together by the blood weat and tears of Africans stolen from their country by your forefather or sold into slavery by thier forefather. Your ignorance is full of wind. Let me share some wisdom with you that can change your backward life if you dare try. Since you feel that Africans and Blacks are worthless and have not contributed anything to the society of men, try not using inventions made by blackmen and women. For example:
(1) Try writing without paper. Africans invented and used paper in Timbuktu long before the first Eygptian dynasty. That means you cannot wipe you behind, if you get my point, but that okay, before you kind was introduced to the wonders of the black world, they used leaves or their hands. Nasty!
(2)If you have a car, pray it does not break down. If it does, tell your mechanic not to use a wrench because it was created by a worthless, count-for-nothing blackman (John A. Johnson).
(3) I hope you do not use a clothes dress to store your neatly folded laundry. If you do, throw it way because it was invented by a blackman (John J. Jordan.)
(4) I hope you do not live where it gets cold. If you do you can go back to the backward ways of your people before Musa (a blackman) taugth to make fire, because a blackwoman invented the heating furnace (Alice H. Parker)
(5) Remeber Henry Ford Whiteboy. Well you would not if it were not for J. Gregory. He was the balckman who invented the internal conbustion engine.

I could go on for hours with the inventions of black Americans that would leave your lifestyle in form it was in before the first white person ever laid eyes on a blackman if you dare do without them. As a matter of fact, the first blackman white people every saw was Hannibal who was conquering the whitea–s. Now, this is a rhetorical question so save your ignorant ramblings. If Africans were so backward as you claim, who other than God can claim the providence from which the ideas, concepts and insights to create the wonderful things that you take for granted have come from. Yes, crawl back in your hole and take a stick of dynamite with you when you go. BOOM!

Just because you live in a system that provides previlages to white boys, do not think for a moment that ignorance will get you anywhere. Did you know that there are more white people on welfare than black, receiving greater benefits due to Affirmation Action than blacks. What vaccum did you step out of.

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By kinks_83 ( – 216.196.24.170) on Tuesday, June 26, 2001 – 02:52 am:
I am currently reading the book which sparked this debate, The Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams. I personally give the book a lot of praise because it not only answered previous existing questions of our history, but exposed facts which created new ones. For instance, one comment I read claimed there was no real proof of African Civilization and Achievements, however this work chronologically exposes the great and obviously intentional “black out” in European history. Williams catalogues numerous events throughout history of African interactions with Europeans and Asians, and simply the proof is in the pudding. For any White, Black, Arab , Latinos ect. who questions the origin of civilization, the blackness of egypt, the development of the arts and sciences, the beginnings of communication, and the specific events which led to the downfall of our greatness this is definately a must read . So white Boy if you’re looking for proof open the book, and if you want to know why you should teach your kids about kwanzaa open the book, and if you want to kwow why africans in america can’t advance open the book and then read the miseducation of the Negro by Carter G Woodson. Because frankly for us to have been fighting off global attack from all of Asia, Europe, and other prdominantly white civilization for five thousand years(pg.58) we’re doing quite well for ourselves. So open the Book all my brothers and sisters and open your eyes. Because true equality can only be layed on a foundation of truth, and therefore an admission of guilt and reparation must occur before we can begin to mend this two sided world which exist today. For your days are numbered and if we continue to be pushed to civil disobedience to be heard, then the repercussion that will tossed upon the white race will be tradgic, but executed by all means necessary. You all only make up 2% of the population, so how long do you really believe our naivete and righteousness will allow you to keep this up? GLOBAL ASSASSANATIONS. Somebodies gonna pay for all these years of poverty and the rape of our nation.So keep up you white bastards we’ll see who gets the last laugh. If you were smart you call the truce now while some of us still ike you, cause this could get ugly.

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By PABCD ( – 158.252.92.40) on Thursday, September 6, 2001 – 02:57 pm:
As a military brat I have lived all over the world and the one thing that is noticable is that the variations in races blend as the borders have changed over the centuries. With the conquest of one country over the other, back and forth with one inslaving the other , is there really any race that can say that they are pure. I don’t think so. There is no one race better than another, and there is no culture or religion that is better than any other. Just men trying to make themselves feel that they are something more than they are (JUST MEN). The only ones who do have the right to complain is WOMEN. We have been and still are inslaved and tortured just for being born a woman. There is no civilization on this planet who can say that their women have been treated equally to their men.

MORE ON THE BLACKamerikkkan JEWS IN ISRAEL BY APOLOGETICSINDEX.ORG

November 6, 2007

from apologeticsindex.org

Quotations from the page on Black Hebrew Israelites omitting some negative comments about this misunderstood group.

Practising a strict version of kibbutz-style collectivism and Old Testament ethics — including polygamy and veganism — the Black Hebrews are not recognised as Jews by Israel’s rabbinate.

The Black Hebrews believe they are descended from one of ancient Israel’s 10 lost tribes by way of Africa and the slave routes to America, an account most scholars dismiss as myth.
Source: Israel grants ”Black Hebrews” permanent residency, Reuters, July 29, 2003

The Black Hebrews believe they are descended from Israelites who were expelled from Jerusalem by the Romans in A.D. 70 and then migrated for more than 1,000 years before reaching West Africa and later the United States as slaves.

According to the teachings of their leader, Ben Ammi Ben Israel, the cruel chapters of their history were part of God’s plan to lead them back to their homeland — Israel.

That belief sprang from a vision that Ben Ammi says he had in 1966 when he was a Chicago foundry worker named Ben Carter. In the dream, archangel Gabriel told him that many African Americans were descendants of the lost Israeli tribe of Judah.

Carter’s epiphany led him to gather 30 followers in 1967 and move to Liberia — a country founded by freed American slaves in 1847 — for a two- year “cleansing period” on the way to the Promised Land.

Upon arrival, Israeli authorities directed the newcomers to the remote desert town of Dimona while their claims of Jewish heritage were assessed.
Source: Black Hebrews fight for citizenship in Israel, San Francisco Chronicle, Nov. 15, 2002

The origins of the Black Hebrew Israelite religion may stretch back to before the Civil War. By 1896, “Prophet” William Crowdy founded a sect in Kansas. The religion permitted polygamy, forbade birth control and decreed strict dietary laws similar to Judaism.

By World War I, there were congregations in several major cities. By the 1980s, others had appeared in Israel and several other countries.
Source: Rough Waters, ‘Stream of Knowledge’ Probed by Officials, Southern Poverty Law Center, Intelligence Report, Fall 1997.

The very words cause many people to grin at what appears to be simply a play on words. No one reads about such people in european authored history books and there are only a few references to “Ethiopian Jews” in white Jewish sources. Yet Black Hebrews have existed since biblical times. In fact, they are the original or proto-typical Hebrews.

Their story begins with the Patriarch Abraham (2117-1942 B.C.), a native of the Sumerian city of Ur in ancient Mesopotamia. Archaeological discoveries have proven that the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia were members of the ”Brown Race,” i.e., the Negroid branch of humanity.

It has been confirmed that the ancient Sumerians were akin to the modern Black Dravidians of India. The Sumerians also had an affinity with a people known as the Elamites, the very first Semitic group mentioned in the Bible (Gen. 10:22). The Elamites were a black-skinned and woolly-haired people as the colorful glazed artwork on the royal palace walls of the ancient Persian city of Susa clearly show.Thus Abraham, the native of Sumerian and the founding father of the Israelite nation, was a black man. The black racial origins of the Patriarchs is not based on mere conjecture, it is in complete agreement with the picture one gets from examining the identity of the earliest inhabitants of southern Mesopotamia.

This truth is grossly neglected, suppressed, and distorted in most European and American historical texts which are flavored with race prejudice. Fortunately, however, there are enough well authored and highly researched works by Black historians that challenge the Eurocentric revisions of history and correct the various erroneous views regarding the ethnic identity of the Hebrews.

Biblical history relates that the descendants of Abraham, namely Jacob (Israel) and his twelve sons and their wives, 70 in all, migrated from Canaan to Egypt around the year 1827 B.C. During their sojourn in Egypt the Children of Israel multiplied from being a family of 70 souls to a nation of over 3 million people at the time of the Exodus which took place in 1612 B.C.

This astounding number of people in so short a time can only be adequately explained by intermarriage between the family of Jacob and the native Egyptian populace. It is an established fact that the ancient Egyptians were a black African people. Thus, even if the Hebrews were not black before they arrived in Egypt, which is unlikely given Abraham’s background, they were definitely black by the time they left Egypt under Moses
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Source: Black Hebrew Israelites

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October 10, 2007

My problem is that this site has grown so fast and I don’t yet have the money to get a laptop and internet connection which is expensive here in Nigeria- about 2,000dollars in all to keep up with servicing this site and posting and answering on time etc. Any BROTHERS/SISTERS who want to send me your widow’s mite toward this can contact me at:

yeyeolade@yahoo.com.
I am praying about it and I know that Olodumare(GOD) will provide so I can give you the BLACK RACE the service you deserve!
Your SISTER, BLACK for the RACE,
Yeye Akilimali Funua Olade

Oluwa ba wa se o . ASE! (God will work it out! in Yoruba. ASE=let it be so!)


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