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September 27, 2010


Face to Face with Muhammad Ali

Muhammud Ali may no longer float or sting, but make no mistake: He’s all in there, and his words still pack a punch.
Interview by Howard Bingham
From Reader’s Digest
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The date was set: Muhammad Ali would talk to Reader’s Digest on the morning of September 11 at his home, an 88-acre farm in Berrien Springs, Mich. But when the hour arrived, the world was turned upside down. Ali agreed the interview should go on, but for several hours the room was mostly quiet as the terrible events unfolded. He stared silently at the big-screen television while the World Trade Center buckled, and crumbled. And then Ali began to talk.

His Parkinson’s and his age — he turns 60 on January 17 — have turned him into a slow-motion version of his former self. Make no mistake, though: Muhammad Ali is in there. All of him. Son of a sign painter and his Baptist wife, heavyweight champ, poet and wit, black rights advocate, draft resister, philanthropist, father, and now grandfather six times over, the roles and causes Ali embraced remain a part of him, and from up close you can see and hear them all.

You can feel his warmth as well. At one point Asaad Ali, ten, the youngest of his nine children, peeked into the room. The round-faced, smiling boy stopped short, waiting to be acknowledged. Ali turned his head, his expression frozen, and slowly, wordlessly, unfolded his body to create an opening. Asaad ran to him, filled the space, hugged his dad, and his father hugged him back.

As images of Osama bin Laden began flashing across television, a transformation of sorts began for Ali. The man who started life as Cassius Clay, and then announced his conversion to Islam in 1964, suddenly became only the second most recognizable Muslim face in the world.

Reader’s Digest had come to Ali’s home to discuss the new film based on his life. Scheduled to open December 25, Ali stars Will Smith, who, after bulking up and getting a ’60s haircut, bears an uncanny resemblance to the champ in his prime. The interview covered the movie, September 11, Islam and much more, in part because of the presence of Howard Bingham, 62, a Los Angeles-based photographer who met the fighter in 1962. Bingham has long been considered one of Ali’s closest confidants, and unlike many people, he has not taken advantage of Ali — financially or otherwise. He is not on Ali’s payroll, nor does he follow Islam. The two men banter like brothers, and move easily through the events of a long shared history. With Bingham in the room, Ali was able to be completely himself.

Bingham: Tell us your reaction to the attacks this morning.
Ali: Killing like that can never be justified. It’s unbelievable. I could never support hurting innocent men, women and children. Islam is a religion of peace. It does not promote terrorism or killing people.

Bingham: Muslims are supposed to be responsible for this. How does that make you feel?
Ali: People say a Muslim caused this destruction. I am angry that the world sees a certain group of Islam followers who caused this destruction, but they are not real Muslims. They are racist fanatics who call themselves Muslims, permitting this murder of thousands.

Bingham: When you became a Muslim, the religion was perceived as anti-white. Has that changed?
Ali: The real Islam comes from Mecca. All people are God’s people. The devil can be any color.

Bingham: Do you know some black devils?
Ali: A lot of them.

Bingham: Has it become easier to be a Muslim in America?
Ali: Yes. When I first accepted the religion, you’d say you were Muslim, people thought that’s funny. Now there’s not half the trouble.

Bingham: How do you feel about different religions?
Ali: Rivers, ponds, lakes and streams. They have different names, but all contain water. Religions have different names but all contain truth.

Bingham: What does your faith mean to you?
Ali: [It] means [a] ticket to heaven. One day we’re all going to die, and God’s going to judge us, [our] good and bad deeds. [If the] bad outweighs the good, you go to hell; if the good outweighs the bad, you go to heaven. [I’m] thinking about the judgment day and how you treat people wherever you go. Help somebody through charity, because when you do, it’s been recorded.

I go to parties, [see] good-looking girls. [I] take a box of matches with me. [I] see a girl I want to flirt with, which is a sin, so I [light] my matches, [touches his finger] oooh, hell hurts worse than this. Buy a box of matches and carry them with you. Put [one] on your finger and see how long you can hold it. Just imagine that’s going to be hell. Hell’s hotter, and for eternity.

Bingham: A movie’s been made about you. Does that surprise you?
Ali: No. It’s about the third movie made of me!

Bingham: But don’t you have any kind of emotional feelings — it makes you feel good, makes you feel … ?
Ali: [It’s] good to know people still want to read about me, people still want to hear about me. After so many years, from 1960 until now, it’s good to know that I’m still popular.

Bingham: What do you think of Will Smith?
Ali: I think he’s a great actor. And for this role, he’s the best one to do it because he looks like me a little bit and acts like me, sounds like me.

Bingham: Out of his look and your look, which one is better-looking?
Ali: Some will say him; some people say me.

Bingham: So what do you say?
Ali: I say me!

Bingham: What was your best fight ever?
Ali: The [fight against] famous Joe Frazier in Manila.

Bingham: Which loss hurt most?
Ali: Amos Johnson in the Pan Am trials in 1959.

Bingham: Did you ever win a fight that you thought you’d lost?
Ali: No.

Bingham: Did you ever lose a fight you thought you’d won?
Ali: No.

Bingham: Should boxing be banned like so many people advocate?
Ali: They said it should be banned because it’s too brutal. Football is brutal, [and] wrestling. Motor-car racing. The reason they think it’s bad is black people control it.

Bingham: Knowing what you know now, would you go back and change anything?
Ali: In boxing [I would] do everything the same, wouldn’t change nothing.

Bingham: What about taunting Joe Frazier?
Ali: Joe Frazier, [I’d do] everything the same, wouldn’t change nothing.

Bingham: Resisting the draft?
Ali: I know I’d do that the same.

Bingham: All those years back you were a kid who believed in himself enough to tell everyone that one day you would become champion of the world. Where did your confidence come from?
Ali: I had it in my heart. I believed in myself, and I had confidence. I knew how to do it and [had] natural talent, and I pursued it.

Bingham: Now, after you were older, who influenced your life and the beliefs that you have?
Ali: After I started boxing, Sugar Ray Robinson. And my idol was a man named Elijah Muhammad. [His] Islamic teaching is what made me so confident.

Bingham: What people have inspired you — or who is the most unforgettable character you’ve ever met?
Ali: Malcolm X. He said courageous things, wasn’t afraid of nothing. [He was a] good speaker about black people and their condition and treatment by whites.

Bingham: Your wife, Lonnie, Asaad’s mother … you’ve been with her longer than any of your first three wives. What does she mean to you?
Ali: Everything.

Bingham: You’ve said that some people are chosen to spread a message and that you were chosen to spread the word of Allah. What exactly do you mean by that?
Ali: For an example, black people called themselves Negroes for a hundred years, and now they say Afro Americans. But that started after they heard Elijah Muhammad. They didn’t accept all Elijah said, but the part about Afro Americans [they did]. Chinese have Chinese names, Cubans have Cuban names, Germans after Germany, Indians after India — all people by the name of their country. There’s no country called Negro.

When I heard that, it shocked me. We have our names for Chinese. Castro-here comes [a] Cuban. But here come Jones of Washington, he doesn’t know who he is. He got slave names. Negroes named George Washington. So we took — we have — slave names. Muhammad Ali is Muslim.

Bingham: What does Muhammad Ali mean?
Ali: [Muhammad means] worthy of praise and praiseworthy, and Ali means the most high. Clay means dirt. When I heard that, then everything [came together]. We’re taught to love white, hate black. The color black meant getting put out, you are being blackballed. Black was bad. There’s blackmail. They made angel cake white and devil’s food cake chocolate. Think about that, angel-food white and devil’s-food chocolate. [The] ugly duckling is the black duckling. Black magic …

I mean, black is good. In business you want it black. Blackberry juice-the blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice. The rich dirt is black. Black ain’t bad. The greatest ballplayers are black. The greatest football players are black.

Bingham: Everything but boxers, huh?
Ali: [The] greatest boxers are black.

Bingham: What were your thoughts when you lit the Olympic flame in Atlanta?
Ali: [It] show[ed] that people in the past didn’t hold it against me because here I am rejecting the Vietnam War, joining [the] Islamic religion, and then, of all people, raising the flag. They were thinking of me to light the Olympic flame, so that was a good thing.

Bingham: Do athletes have a responsibility to become role models for people?
Ali: They don’t have to, but it’s good if they do because then the kids look up to them and want to be like them. It’s good to be an example for them in the way they live.

Bingham: Are you a role model that people look up to?
Ali: I’ve been told so.

Bingham: Why?
Ali: Because I’m pretty, daring, bold, courageous!

Bingham: If there was one thing that you could make happen in this world, what would it be?
Ali: Find a cure for cancer.

Bingham: What disease do you have?
Ali: Parkinson’s.

Bingham: Do you think that your Parkinson’s was caused by boxing?
Ali: Not all people [with Parkinson’s] box. Janet Reno, Michael J. Fox fight, right?

Bingham: Have you ever asked yourself “Why me?” in struggling against your Parkinson’s?
Ali: I never ask “Why me?” for no condition. There’s so much good, [I’ve] been so blessed. God tries you. Some things are good. Some things are bad. All of them are trials.

Bingham: How would you like to be remembered?
Ali: He took a few cups of love, one teaspoon of patience, one tablespoon of generosity, one pint of kindness, and stirred it up well and served it to each and every deserving person.
From Reader’s Digest – December 2001


March 6, 2009





Insight and Perspective on the 44th U.S. President
By News

BET’s Historic Presidential Inauguration Interview with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan
[ – Editor’s note: The following are excerpts of a BET interview with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan on December 18, 2008, which was scheduled to be aired during BET’s coverage of the historic presidential inauguration of Mr. Barack H. Obama on January 20, 2009. Click here to view the webcast and order the CD/DVD.]

Photo: Kenneth Muhammad
If you love your people, and you want to see your people rise, and you see someone who is doing that for your people, then you subordinate your personal pain to the greater mission, which was Brother ascending to the top of the mountain.

Jeff Johnson (JJ): When this excellent Black man was elected on that excellent night, where were you?

The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan (HMLF): I was in front of my television, with my wife and some of my children, with tears streaming down our faces. And when I saw my brother come out on that stage with his wife and his children; and I watched his demeanor, because now he had fought for this. Now he has it.


JJ: In the very beginning of this process when Barack Obama announced his candidacy, did you ever believe that we would be at this place and time celebrating the soon-to-be inauguration of the first African American president?

HMLF: No, I didn’t believe it, but I’m happy for it. This young man seems to be driven by a force that’s bigger than politics.

Watching him ascend four years ago, he spoke at a Democratic convention, and electrified the convention and the country. Four years later, he’s the president-elect of the United States of America.

This is a meteoric rise. It’s something that I thought I would never live to see.


JJ: You typically—and correct me if I’m wrong—don’t normally endorse candidates. I haven’t typically seen you endorse candidates, but you came out and endorsed Senator—

HMLF: No, I never did endorse him.

JJ: No?

HMLF: No. I was very careful, because I knew that if I endorsed him, that would create a problem for him.

So at Saviours’ Day last year, I talked about him—but, in very beautiful and glowing terms, stopping short of endorsing him. And unfortunately, or fortunately, however we look at it, the media said I “endorsed” him, so he renounced my so-called endorsement and support. But that didn’t stop me from supporting him.

JJ: No, it didn’t.


JJ: Can you talk a little bit about the wisdom that you felt was necessary at that time, in your response not only to the Nation of Islam, but to the United States, so that you couldn’t be further used by the media to create greater division between Senator Obama and his people.

HMLF: Barack is the bigger picture. I have never seen any Black man in our history attract our people; give them hope in the way that Barack has done.

If you love your people, and you want to see your people rise, and you see someone who is doing that for your people, then you subordinate your personal pain to the greater mission, which was Brother ascending to the top of the mountain.


JJ: The first time I got emotional about this campaign was the night of the DNC when Michelle spoke. And after Michelle spoke, those babies came up on stage. And after the babies came up on stage, then Obama comes via satellite. And to me there was this message that “Even though my wife and my babies are on stage, I need to make sure I’m with them.”

And there was this picture of the “Black family,” that Americans—some Black Americans, some White Americans; Asian Americans, Latino Americans—had never seen before in real life.

What is the real potential of a Barack in the White House? Will we really be able to quantify how that will impact men and women in communities that were lacking hope?

HMLF: A loving husband, a loving wife; a loving father, a loving mother, and two very beautiful children: That gave us as a people, with broken families, some hope that we, too, can produce a family like that.

When you see gang bangers, young teenage boys that never thought they might live to see 20 or 21, stand in line four and five hours to vote for him; when I see the impact that he has had on children—little Black children who no longer have to feel “I’ve got to be a NBA basketball player; NFL football player to escape the ghetto, or escape the conditions under which I have grown; but now I can aspire to be a world leader”—that’s a genie that you can never put back in the bottle.

So our job, it seems to me, in backing him, is to be more earnest, more dedicated, more zealous in working in our communities to build our people.


JJ: Is there any truth to the fact that an Obama election means that America is becoming less racist?

HMLF: Yes. The nitty-gritty is probably the same, but America is changing. Again, that’s puts more burden on us.

Barack represents Black excellence. Michelle Obama represents Black excellence. As a family, they represent Black excellence. It’s very hard for you to accentuate White Supremacy in the face of Black Excellence.

Are we capable of becoming excellent? Absolutely. All we need is a level playing field, and if we are cream, we will rise to the top. And once we begin to do this and demonstrate this excellence that we have the capacity to do, and the potential to do, then race will begin to diminish, diminish, diminish, and we really might be living, then, in a post-racial America.
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